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 No.46277[Last 50 Posts][Watch Thread]

Still active enough to regularly hit bump, so this is part 5 of the webring thread.

Last thread: >>41189

How do I join?

Post:
* a link to your website
* a 240x60 banner of your website
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 No.46278


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 No.46288>>46289>>47145

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Are the banners purely a nostalgia/aesthetic thing? Link directories have existed since the internet was a thing.

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 No.46289

>>46288
Just nostalgia I figure. It's true that people may be more likely to click through images rather than a list, but I doubt most webmasters here put that depth of thought into it.

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 No.46290>>46291>>47145

yeah i wouldnt really call this a webring, more a link directory

i might eventually get around to making an ACTUAL webring at some point, though. control panel and all.

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 No.46291>>46292

>>46290
I could in theory help with that. For the sake of debate though, is an 'actual' webring with a control panel really necessary? We seem to be getting by fairly well as a self-governed collection of links, so I would wonder what features this would add.

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 No.46292>>46293>>46295>>46312

>>46291
it'd make organizing everything easier, plus it'd appease my autistic chimp brain

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 No.46293>>46295>>47145

>>46292
I guess my question is how would you want to do it? Classical webring.org style, or just make a new version relying on iframes and some navigation buttons at the top to cycle through web pages in the iframe?

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 No.46295>>46297>>46298>>47145>>47251

>>46292
>>46293
It is true it's getting hard to organise, I think there will be 70-something sites on my copy of the webring soon.

I could suggest with a bit of server side scripting, a new webmaster could make a link to somesite.org/next, which would redirect the reader to the next site in the ring, whatever order is decided on. Repeat for prev and random. It allows people to insert the webring into their page in whatever format they like and very quickly, it would be more compact than the current spew of links, and would not use soykaf like iframes. This has the downside of being centralised on someone's server though, and I can practically guarantee me and the next guy will disagree about which sites should be included, so I don't think I'd prefer it.

There are various methods for setting up the ring which are decentralised, such as shell scripting as seen in the last thread >>45726. Decentralised will not be 'organised', however, it'll always be out of sync and it makes anything beyond the current 'banners everywhere' method seem pointless.

So I guess I'd pose these questions:
>Centralised or decentralised? If the latter, by what method?
>If the sites were ordered, what order would you put them in?
>If a site has multiple mirrors, how do you choose which to prefer? E.g. clearnet, Tor, i2p, etc.

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 No.46296>>46312>>47145

yeah i got a webring on my site right now, but the way ive been doing it is pretty janky

i can think of a way i could get a more efficient webring running using some JS

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 No.46297>>46303>>47145

>>46295
UPDATE: Had a better thought.

I liked the sound of the first method a lot, but I couldn't bring myself to stand with it because it would be centralised on someone's server, and I could already tell how much additional drama this could create.

So instead of that, I could write some code that does what I described in my prior post, and then redistribute it on my Git server. So, a newcomer could point their link to mine at e.g. concealed.world/webring/next, or they could implement the code on their own site and edit it as they wish.

I would feel bad about dropping the work people put into their banners, however, so I might also add 'browse' alongside prev/next/random, which would populate a page displaying the banners against site names and links.

Thoughts?

I haven't thought out the specifics of how I'm going to achieve this yet, but it's a simple enough task it should be perfectly doable. If I did I could start it tomorrow or later, in the meantime I can wait and see what people think.

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 No.46298>>47145

>>46295
Dunno how doable this is, but a git with the links, main files gets pulled once on load, providing, say, the three prev/next/rnd links
Also, I'd like to join the link directory. It was y'all that pushed me to making a nc site. just the faqing banner, it's supposed to be representational. I have a gif of a spinning turtle?[code][/code]

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 No.46299>>46300

dunno if im gonna join the directory just yet, but i might
either way here's my site, finally finished the redesign

you'll also see what i was talking about, about my webring - control panel's on my homepage (still need to get some of the pages set up from the redesign, like the "join" link)

https://hbaguette.neocities.org

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 No.46300>>46301

>>46299
Your site is unnavigable by keyboard, my easylinks javascript does't even work. It's astounding how many people just stack gifs, svgs, animations and call it a day.[code][/code]

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 No.46301>>46302

>>46300
is like kicking dead whales down the beach to be you i guess

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 No.46302>>46304

>>46301
I'm uncertain as to what exactly it is you're trying to convey. The absense of proper spelling and punctuation, a reread before posting, are telling of a, like, 14-year-old. Even if you were one, it's no acceptable excuse.
I have no mouse, so faq me, I guess?
I have no mouse. Faq me, I guess?[code][/code]

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 No.46303>>46304

>>46297
It might be because JS is disabled, but the layout isn't working whatsoever for me, try testing against different screen sizes. See attached, one is of my normal screen size, the other vertical.

Also, links don't work without JavaScript. I can see from the source they're supposed to play a sound, I'd suggest making playing a sound and loading a new page be two separate things so people with JS disabled can still use your site. The thing with iframes you're doing seems more complex than it needs to be, I really wish people would use iframes less often.

I do actually like the look thus far, but those are my criticisms, some work needs done.

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 No.46304>>46305>>46309>>46310

>>46302
funny language enhancer on this site my man surely you know about it by now

also whats with the code tags at the end of all your posts

>>46303
yeah ngl i kinda hardcoded it for 1080p monitors in mind, havent got around to making it work with other resolutions or mobile yet - its all handwritten, so ill probably take a while to get that working, but i do plan on making it work

and, yeah, the site kinda... depends on JS for a lot of soykaf. im using iframes because i genuinely cannot be bothered having all the layout code for every single page if theyre all more or less going to look identical aside from one portion anyway

only really been doing frontend soykaf for like 3 years (by hand, in my free time) anyway so theres probably something im missing thatd make it way easier

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 No.46305>>46306>>46315>>47258

Forgot to post the link to mine: https://godcock.neocities.org
Mostly about reading. If you'd welcome it, I'll make a banner
>>46304
alt-c, alt-x bound to open, open in new tab provided some valid number
re;code tag apparently 4chanx options don't transfer from 4channel; and i'm not navigating clickboxes and menus without a mouse, caret is nigh unrecognizable while moving, positioning is slow.

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 No.46306>>46307

>>46305
i dunno man i just wrote this entire reply without using my mouse, youve heard of using tab and shift+tab to navigate things on your browser, right?

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 No.46307

>>46306
There are over 60 anchors with my window zoomed in, at the bottom of the page. From a foot away, I can barely see the caret. With my keyb rep rate, precision is hindered. Possible, yeah; optimal, nah. I hate javascript, and had to build surf with it on by default only to use this damn script. Visually it become like elinks's link hinting.

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 No.46309>>46310>>46316>>46321

>>46304
I don't take it fully to heart, but it's still a nice philosophy to remind oneself of every so often: http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/. HTML by default is responsive, because it's just text.

Anyway, I suggest for the resolution problem, look into media queries. E.g:

.somediv {
width: 800px;
}

@media (max-width: 600px) {
.somediv {
width: 300px;
}
}

Sometimes a simpler solution would be better though. You can use '%' in your CSS variables, and you can also use window width and height - 'vw' and 'vh'. Like so:

.somediv {
/* width: 80%; */
width: 80vw;
}

As for layout code, keep as much of it as possible in CSS files, and include those on each page. That way any header you include into every page should be a few lines at most. Or better yet get off Neocities and self-host, then you can have a scripting language do all this including and formatting for you.

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 No.46310

>>46304
>>46309
Oh yeah, and feel free to steal anything not nailed to the ground from I and others' sites, to make it work. It is an open format.

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 No.46312>>46313

>>46292
>>46296
if I have to put javascript on my site to make it work, then no dice

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 No.46313>>46317>>46320

>>46312
If people like the sound of what I suggested earlier, I'm likely doing it in PHP. So your options would either be to self-host the code, or link to someone else's copy.

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 No.46315>>46319

>>46305
I quite like this layout. I haven't looked at the source yet, did you use flexbox?

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 No.46316>>46318

>>46309
it uh...
IS using percentages

css

html, body {
width: 100%;
height: 100%;
margin: 0;
overflow-y:hidden;
}
#content {
width: 50%;
height:100%;
margin-left:auto;
margin-right:auto;
overflow-x: hidden;
padding-top: 2%;
}
#left {
width: 15%;
height:85%;
/*height: 80%;*/
float: left;
padding-left: 0px;
/*padding-top:23px;*/
/*background-image:url(images/backgrounds/blackgranite.gif);*/
}
#right {
height: 85%;
width: 82%;
margin-left: 165px;
text-align: left;
font-size: 18px;
/*background-image:url(images/backgrounds/blackgranite.gif);*/
}
#navbar {
height:100%;
background-color:black;
border: 2px cyan;
border-style:solid;
}
#title {
height:11%;
background-color:black;
border: 2px cyan;
border-style:solid;
padding-top:5%;
padding-bottom:5%;
}
.clear {
clear: both;
}

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 No.46317>>46318

>>46313
y u no irc, concealed.world

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 No.46318>>46322

>>46316
Fair enough, still, not in the right places. For example, why 50% on #content? If you shuffled around these values you could probably make it work fairly well, I'll let you figure the rest out.

>>46317
What did you just say about my mother?

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 No.46319>>46321

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>>46315
Nigga, I dunno what a flexbox is. The soyboys over at webdev general in /g/ that about javascript in flex this grid that. Check the css, I'd be proud of how slim it is, if I didn't think this is what the norm should be.
Only prior experience was picrel, mdn and source of others' was helpful.

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 No.46320>>46323

>>46313
Also to add to this, you're going to host the web ring code on your site? An anon earlier mentioned possibly doing it the iframe way, not sure if that was you. What are you plans on how it will work?
Maybe you can upload the source to Git or some repo so lainons like me can use it on our neocities (though I'm not sure if they allow PHP).

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 No.46321>>46325

>>46309
Added your imageboard to my site.
>>46319
Desu you really ought to make a banner for it so I can add it to my web ring directory

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 No.46322>>46324

>>46318
Also when are you going to add more blog posts, I read your shiieeetttttttt.

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 No.46323

>>46320
>What are you plans on how it will work?
I've honestly not got much of the specifics right now, I'll do that when I actually get to working on it.

Make a list, find our position, return the next/previous/a random position. Adding a new site should be as simple as appending an item to the list. The 'browse' idea displaying a list of banners could be a bit more complex.

>Maybe you can upload the source to Git or some repo so lainons like me can use it on our neocities (though I'm not sure if they allow PHP).

I already plan on hosting whatever I make on my Git server, so people can copy/edit it as they please. The one issue I had with this idea was the centralised aspect, which hopefully hosting on Git mitigates.

If I recall, I've heard Neocities only allows static content and JS. Still, you could link to someone else's, such as concealed.world/webring/next, and it would work all the same.

>the iframe way

Iframes are dogshit and often misused, it's rare there's a legitimate use case for embedding a web page in another web page that couldn't be done in a simpler fashion.

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 No.46324>>47145

>>46322
I have a strict policy of writing when I feel like I have something to say, which is why I write every few months. You can see I have a bunch of posts under "Archive", I moved them there because I felt like they weren't saying anything, but I didn't have the heart to delete them outright either. More straightforward diatribes go on my imageboard. Banter and stupid soykaf on my IRC.

I have a secret autism project I've been working on, in a real programming language, so in some time that'll likely be my next post.

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 No.46325>>46371

>>46321
c.w is right about the bannered sites, and the number of active ones, though. You use a banner, meanwhile I make a new one, but you don't pull it from his site, later still I die and there's not net in the abyss, and you'd not not.

A shell script or something to send single pings to affirm site state (up/down/dead), could be used.

A git with c.w and possibly other members giving their y/n on adding new URLs and banners would be nice, I think. From which a shell script could easily cobble together a pasteable webring snippet somewhere.

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 No.46330>>46386

>>46210
this should help you
operation@mindfuck:/home/operation $ dig +short NS mayvaneday.art
operation@mindfuck:/home/operation $ dig +short NS mayvaneday.art
operation@mindfuck:/home/operation $ dig +short NS mayvaneday.art
ns2.vultr.com.
ns1.vultr.com.

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 No.46332>>46347

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Alrighty, stylistically the first is incongruent with the site, the second is just my default white and black colors. If you wanna take a dump on either, go ahead, would help with picking, unless c.w has a preference.
site again; godcock.neocities.org

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 No.46347

https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
>>46332
Added you, I went with the first purely because the text was centred in the banner. Both look fairly nice. Currently I'm soykafting out the aforementioned PHP code in between working, no updates to see yet though.

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 No.46369>>46370>>46372>>46374>>46376>>46380>>46386>>47285

I found some time to finish my gift for the night: https://git.concealed.world/lainchan-webring/files.html

Try it out with an example such as below:

<h2>Clearnet</h2>
<a href="https://concealed.world/webring/webring.php?go=prev">Previous</a><br />
<a href="https://concealed.world/webring/webring.php?go=random">Random</a><br />
<a href="https://concealed.world/webring/webring.php?go=next">Next</a>
<h2>Tor</h2>
<a href="https://concealed.world/webring/webring.php?go=prev&route=onion">Previous</a><br />
<a href="https://concealed.world/webring/webring.php?go=random&route=onion">Random</a><br />
<a href="https://concealed.world/webring/webring.php?go=next&route=onion">Next</a>

Some drawbacks that occur to me: by linking to my site, the next and previous sites are relative to my site, not yours. As far as I know, this can't be helped without use of JS or reffers, but let me know if you think of anything I can do. The ordering of the sites are approximately first-come-first-serve.

To self-host it, by dropping all the files in the same directory it should just work without additional configuration - unless your site isn't the web root e.g. example.org/~user/, or you want to use the onion webring relative to your onion mirror within your clearnet site and vice versa. See the README.

I also think it's better to keep the banner listing as a separate script. Provided last thread's script works (>>45726) - I've not tried it myself - I don't see a need to reinvent the wheel either. It could be worth putting both this script and that script (a copy as it'll presumably be down by then) in the OP of the next thread, assuming we're still ongoing.

Open to complaints and criticism, I've not spent a lot of time testing it and I would be happy to improve upon it.

Some other things:

Having created this, do you think it's necessary to say that a banner is a requirement to join? I would say not, because I see this more as a tool to supplement the existing system than one to replace it. I don't think it's my place to say "Tear it down," anyway, seeing as I didn't create it.

Also, would it be worth having an 'official contact' for the ring, whom people could direct their requests to join to? It occurs to me, if you hypothetically saw the ring and thought it looked cool, and had your own site, but didn't come from Lainchan, you'd have to search to find where to join. It's not as if the Lainchan administration has ever officially endorsed this (and I wouldn't ask them to), so there's no reason we're strictly limited to Lainchan either. Just a thought.

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 No.46370>>46374

>>46369
I'm also aware that I may be missing a few onion mirrors here and there. I'll do a more thorough check in the next few days, so expect the text files in the repository to be updated in that time frame.

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 No.46371>>46374

>>46325
I've mentioned the shell script already, but I should also mention in case you didn't see prior threads that https://concealed.world/images/banners/ is an open directory on my site you can browse, and would probably help in shell script fuarrrkery.

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 No.46372>>46374

>>46369
>Having created this, do you think it's necessary to say that a banner is a requirement to join? I would say not, because I see this more as a tool to supplement the existing system than one to replace it. I don't think it's my place to say "Tear it down," anyway, seeing as I didn't create it.
I worded that in a stupid way, I effectively meant to say I'd prefer that banners were still required and that this new tool supplement the existing system. But I wanted to hear others' thoughts on it. Will stop spamming the thread every time a new thought occurs to me now.

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 No.46374>>46375>>46381

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>>46369
>>46370
>>46371
Good work. It does the job, and I'm immediately struct by the asyncronicity of the whole thing when there is no next 'next/prev'.
The banners of all the art people have the same, eyeblasting, not easily blending aesthetic. Having them on a separate page is an option. Personally, I hate gifs, buttons, banners. Styling 6 links is touchy enough without having to deal with 66 240x60 things.
>>46372
Lain is so dead, it needs more activity, even if it is spam about banners.

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 No.46375>>46383

>>46374
I enjoy seeing the communal dump personally, it makes me happy in a way I could put to words if I'd slept more this week. It's true that it breaks stylistic consistency though. I suppose for the moment I'm taking the stance of "Banners are still required, but this new tool is nicer for your front page."

>Lain is so dead, it needs more activity, even if it is spam about banners.

I can talk some amount of soykaf all day, to nearly anyone, I find myself needing to practice self-restraint. I gather it's an uncommon trait among 'tech people'.

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 No.46376>>46377>>46378

>>46369
Feedback: my previous and next redirect to jakesmail and daviddebski, resp.; those two are adjacent on another, assuming row filling. Random works.

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 No.46377>>46378

>>46376
See earlier:
>Some drawbacks that occur to me: by linking to my site, the next and previous sites are relative to my site, not yours.
Refferers aren't consistent and I don't want to use JS at this point, so I'm not sure if I can do much about it, other than recommend self-hosting if the order I list the sites doesn't work for you.

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 No.46378>>46379

>>46376
>>46377
Hopefully if more people are inclined to host the script there will be a greater degree of variety, than every 'prev' and 'next' link to the same sites. I can't at the moment think of a better solution and I don't want to ditch the functionality either.

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 No.46379>>46382

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>>46378
I read that, but I didn't find your banner on several mouse-overs, and even if I did, it would be between two adjacent one. Regardless random works, and if I discovered a webring, with >10 members, that'd be what I click.
Banners themselves are slightly less than triple the amount of bytes site.
Anyways, I got mad today thinking about smu (simple markup by gotox, haven't tried the newer fork), number of keystrokes is barely above that of html in sublime.
I want to talk.

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 No.46380>>46381>>46382>>46383>>46419>>46438>>47145

>>46369
always so hardworking, I appreciate the effort. Although I'm not sold on this idea. I don't want to be too discouraging, if people referred to you next and previous would be meaningless, on the other hand not everyone is going to implement anything like this, especially when the banner dump on every site works fine. Personally I adopted the ring because it's pleasing to the eye and a cool project for everyone to have a big dump on their site.

>Having created this, do you think it's necessary to say that a banner is a requirement to join?

I wouldn't say it is. A banner is made in like a minute, I did the one for freetext.wz.cz back then, people can join even without a banner. Someone who really cares however will just make one themselves.

>Also, would it be worth having an 'official contact' for the ring, whom people could direct their requests to join to? It occurs to me, if you hypothetically saw the ring and thought it looked cool, and had your own site, but didn't come from Lainchan, you'd have to search to find where to join. It's not as if the Lainchan administration has ever officially endorsed this (and I wouldn't ask them to), so there's no reason we're strictly limited to Lainchan either. Just a thought.

It's not really the lainchan webring if it doesn't happen on lainchan. I think it's fine if you want to act as some kind of spokesperson, that's at least a lifesign to anyone who thinks about joining, but making it obligatory bureaucracy sounds unnecessary and probably goes against why some people even joined in the first place.

This webring is bound to have discoverability problems: people who freeload, forget to add certain sites, refuse to add others, ignore darknet links and so forth. An idea that comes to mind, one that is actually very basic, is to keep all the rings in a list and periodically crawl all the webring pages for all their links, in order to automatically generate some kind of graph that shows all the connections (or lack thereof). It would keep sites discoverable even if they are only weakly associated and it would actually be effective if several people took it upon them to offer this. A solution that generates a graph in the form of a static image every now and then would even benefit those who refuse to run bloatscript on their site.

Just a thought, but really, I don't think anything is wrong with keeping huge banner dumps on all the sites.

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 No.46381>>46382>>46383

>>46374
I forgot to ask in >>46380, but is there any reason for lain being so dead? Because that's been my perception too, and I can't really cope with not being able to waste my time browsing this place.

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 No.46382

>>46379
>I read that, but I didn't find your banner on several mouse-overs, and even if I did, it would be between two adjacent one.
Yes, the reasoning for that on my own site would be that if you clicked random and landed back on my site, that would be rather pointless. Creating the problem that if everyone links to my copy of webring.php, no one will ever land on my site. What a pain this is amalgamating into.

>>46380
I am beginning to get the feeling I'm running in circles and not going anywhere here, yeah. Throwing ideas around, then running off to do things without thinking much about it. Tomorrow I might cut it far back, down to just the 'random', and without checking whether I'm landing on my own site. It may be a soykaftier product, but much more portable and without all the issues that are difficult to mitigate without client-side scripting.

>An idea that comes to mind, one that is actually very basic, is to keep all the rings in a list and periodically crawl all the webring pages for all their links, in order to automatically generate some kind of graph that shows all the connections (or lack thereof).

That's an actually useful idea that I may do, since I've done similarly before. I've already been in the position of doing a bi-monthly check and seeing who's been gone a long time, so effectively this would just automate and publicize the process.

Will get around to the above two, but other than that if it ain't broke don't fix it, worth remembering.

>>46381
It's not a bug, it's a feature. Less quantity, more time to go away and bring in quality. I think Lainchan has a fairly-close-to ideal balance at the moment - smaller imageboards suffer from lack of culture and people knowledgeable enough to discuss interesting common topics, larger ones become a contest of who can shout the loudest in the most offensive manner.

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 No.46383>>46384>>46386

>>46380
>big dump
>>46375
>communal dump
You guys are totes into scat, right?
>>46381
I'm not a regular here precisely because it's so slow, but this has, in the past 2y, gotten noticeable, more being a slow imageboard to getting some 20--40 posts on its 8--10 boards, from probably no more than 15 individuals.
I appreciate the abundance of good-faith, long or not-shallower-than-a-deflating-kiddie-pool posts from some the them, but the rest, imo, are drugies and/or zoomzooms in psy,drg,zzz.
I believe in setting exanple and keeping to it, but when there's nobody to follow, or nobody at all, it's worth naught.

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 No.46384>>46385

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>>46383
>>communal dump
>You guys are totes into scat, right?
I've moved onto even harder things

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 No.46385

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>>46384
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.

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 No.46386>>46387>>46417

>>46330
yes, I am already aware it is using vultr DNS. your post does not help me diagnose why every other site I run, which has the same exact setup, is seemingly reachable while that specific one isn't

>>46369
I appreciate the effortpost, but I am not going to install PHP and its myriad vulnerabilities or become dependent on someone else's copy of the script just for the sake of a webring on a chan I don't even frequent outside of this board. I will be sticking to 46130542389 240x60 banners

>>46383
> but when there's nobody to follow, or nobody at all, it's worth naught
this is true regardless of the posts per hour of any board or chan. there is no valid reason to impoverish your life to live in the Wired. there is no audience to please

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 No.46387>>46393

>>46386
It's not about applause, attention, appeasement, or any other appropriate words starting with 'a'.
It's about virtue, principles, going beyond your ego, find another human being to talk to honestly and openly, to learn something, discuss. Since 19 I've been spirally down disillusionment. I feel like I'm 85 among people older than me, Anybody in my age bracket or lower is disqualified from having anything to say. They're behavior, actions, thought is modellable to within a high degree of accuracy.
Worst is that they can do better, be better, for themselves and their immediates, that I know this to be so, but not the road to getting there.
At some level, I'm more frustrated with myself than them.

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 No.46393

>>46387
That's a really bad mindset I used to have when I was younger. You cannot expect of people to be a better version of themselves, after all, there are a million ways that humankind has been trying to better themselves, and a lot of them tend to contradict eachother (religion, stoicism, philosophy, gnosticism, sciences etc).

You can just filter people around you until you find a niche group that you feel comfortable and engaged. I mean, all this comes from a guy that his site looks like absolute crap but whatever, I'm enjoying the process. I haven't touched webdev in 2 years and I find this project more engaging than playing some videogame for the 1000th time or solving sudoku.

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 No.46417>>46938

>>46386
Use another dns server?

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 No.46419>>46423>>46425>>46552

Alright, my next gift of the evening was as >>46380 described, I've created files documenting whether or not sites are online. I thought about the possibility of checking hourly, recording response times, making a graph, and so on - but in theme with last night, I realise it's probably overkill. Just read the text like a man.

There are two text files, one documenting clearnet sites, and the other onion sites. It has two space-separated fields - the domain, and how many checks have taken place since the site last responded within 10 seconds. For readability the list is sorted. I plan on running it nightly, so the number of checks will correspond to the number of days the site hasn't responded. If a site that has been done for some time does respond, the count is reset to 0.

https://concealed.world/scripts/sites_up.txt
https://concealed.world/scripts/sites_up_onion.txt

I'll likely just remove sites from the text file that have been gone for a while - say a week or more - manually, as I'll also need to remove it from the banner page anyway.

You can see the script I'm using in the 'lainchan-webring' repository, which includes the text files listing the domains, and the vastly stripped back version of the 'webring.php' script I described prior (which if you want to use, has been moved to https://concealed.world/scripts/webring.php).

https://git.concealed.world/lainchan-webring/files.html

It is worth the occasional manual check though - I see tinfoil-hat.net are selling their domain, so I assume they're gone. I also saw that crystaldata.neocities.org moved domains to 0x4f.org, but as they don't seem to have forgotten about this ring I imagine there'll be a banner update some time.

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 No.46423>>46552

>>46419
>Just read the text like a man.
Real men don't read.

Nice work, again, tho. Albeit, that means fuarrrkall, given I can't tell a shoe from a comma in php.
Those two files are nice for anybody unappreciative of dumps and/or nxt,prv,rnd links.
Now, to only include some content. . .

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 No.46425>>46426>>46433>>46438

>>46419
as always, well done

also,
strlst@void-live ~ getent hosts concealed.world
2605:6400:c022:fa05:dead:beef:1337:1337 concealed.world
I lol'd

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 No.46426>>46433

>>46425
Ah soykaf, you found me out lol

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 No.46433>>46438

>>46425
Wait until you find qorg11.net's
>>46426
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd

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 No.46438>>46440>>46443>>46445>>46671>>47145>>47263>>47285

File: 1622244221456-0.png (750.3 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, ksnip_20210529-012006.png) ImgOps iqdb

>>46425
I've taken some of my time to try my hand at the idea outlined in >>46380. I'm not sober, but somehow I managed to make a proof of concept. I have some improvements in mind that will make it a lot better, but at a later time. The output needs a lot more pruning but I think it's a start.
https://notabug.org/strlst/laingraph/src/master/laingraph.py

>>46433
>Wait until you find qorg11.net's
01:22 strlst@ayaya ~ getent hosts qorg11.net
2605:6400:c022:fa03:acab:1337:dead:beef qorg11.net

hot, how do I get one of these?

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 No.46440>>46444>>47263>>47293

>>46438
It is somewhat hard to decipher what I'm looking at, but still that being said it looks very promising and I look forward to being able to pull the image from somewhere.

Just noticed how similar our set-ups are. Arch, nginx, afraid.org, Pi 4.

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 No.46443>>46444

>>46438
> spam in my web server log
> crawler doesn't respect robots.txt

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 No.46444>>47293

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>>46440
it's an undirected graph that is too big
>>46443
sorry, I'm not good enough of a programmer and I'm already procrastinating too much on my actual responsibilities to take it into consideration

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 No.46445

>>46438
you cand :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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 No.46546>>46549

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Does anyone have a list of all the websites and there banners?

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 No.46549>>46552>>46553>>46932

>>46546
I made an open directory a thread or two ago for that purpose: https://concealed.world/images/banners/ . Those websites under grave/ are those that don't appear to be operating any more, old/ are old versions of banners not in use, and unused/ are those sites I've refused for whatever personal criteria I have. It's not as convenient as having the links themselves, but you should be able to find them relatively quickly, especially since I already link to most of them on: https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php .

I also have my 'lainchan-webring' repo, which should be up-to-date: https://git.concealed.world/lainchan-webring/file/webring.txt.html , but doesn't include those I've disallowed (those under unused/).

I'll also point out this shell script from the prior thread again: >>45726 . I've not had need to use it, but it might help you. It may be slightly out of date at this point.

Or if you want to get set up fast just cut and paste the HTML.

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 No.46551>>46552>>46554>>46561>>47161

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Here is mine http://michii.tk

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 No.46552>>46557

>>46551
I'll add this to my site.
>>46549
>Or if you want to get set up fast just cut and paste the HTML.
I-i totally did not do that from your site, lainon-kun.
>>46419
>https://git.concealed.world/lainchan-webring/files.html
Investigating now.
>>46419
>https://concealed.world/scripts/sites_up.txt
Your site is pretty passive-aggressive right now and stuck in loading-limbo. Maybe DNS issue? Cloudflare?
>>46423
Reading and writing is a feminine hobby/trait. Duh.

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 No.46553>>46557

>>46549
>Akira ASCII art
I came.

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 No.46554>>46556

>>46551
Update your webring contents, lainon. You're missing like half the sites floating around.

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 No.46556

>>46554
You're right it's on the list of stuff I need to do I'll probably add a page just for the webring.

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 No.46557

>>46552
>Your site is pretty passive-aggressive right now and stuck in loading-limbo. Maybe DNS issue? Cloudflare?
Hahahahahaha. Cloudflare, no. Shitty SBC dangling behind livingroom TV, yes.

>>46553
You're welcome Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

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 No.46561>>46562

https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
>>46551
Got you added. I may be wrong, but it looks like you're insecure HTTP only, consider using something like Certbot, it's free. Is JavaScript really necessary for the navigation links to work? Also, for your wallpaper gallery, consider linking to an open directory, it's kind of an ass pain waiting for it to cycle through them. I could IE but that's a hassle. The CSS also seems to break down on small screens.

That's about all for my bitching, look forward to seeing more from you.

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 No.46562>>46563

>>46561

Thanks for the feedback kinda new to this whole web development thing so still learning a bunch.

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 No.46563

>>46562
Unfortunately, it's a significant component of my career, kek. Feel free to knick anything you like from my site.

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 No.46569

>>>>46549
46551
Thanks, For your help.

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 No.46572>>46597>>46604>>46610

Hey lains, how do you compress images for web? By that I mean photography and similar soykaf, I tried a couple of tools, cli on linux or web-based but they either don't allow batch processing or output some crazy overcompressed stuff (using defaults). I'm also scared of using webp, it outputs great results but it seems to not be supported by all browsers...
Maybe there are some particular settings that are recommended for both smol size and decent quality? I'm a no0b at webdev pls halp, my website is file:///home/anon/website/index.html Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

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 No.46597>>46600

>>46572
Nooo, some grandpa with IE6 won't be able to see your very important images, must encode everything in BMP!

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 No.46600>>46650

>>46597
Anyone still running XP connected to the net is going to get pwn'd so fast you don't need to mind it anymore.

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 No.46604>>46882

>>46572
For my website I put a thumbnail on the page and linked the full size image with an <a> element

I used imagemagick to make the thumbnail
convert image.jpg -thumbnail '600x600>' thumbnails/image.jpg 
this makes the longest side of the image 600 pixels while keeping the aspect ratio

and to do this all at once I made a script to convert and make the html
for shid in *.jpg
do
convert $shid -thumbnail '600x600>' thumbnails/$shid
echo "<a href="\""img/$shid"\""><img class="\""images"\"" src="\""img/thumbnails/$shid"\""></a>"
done

or you could use webp since the only people who wont be able to see them are people using a years old version of their browser or nerds using something like lynx who won't be able to see your images anyway

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 No.46610>>46882

>>46572
As the other Lain notes, thumbnails-that-link-to-originals is a great choice! And you can then worry less about the thumbnails if you don't discard the originals, since if you ever change your mind you can just change them

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 No.46650>>46659>>46674>>46884

>>46600
Yeah sure, NATs don't exist on virtually all residential ISP networks and crappy home routers they shove into you with each plan. It's year 1999 after all, and you get personal IP address on Tier III ring when you sign a contract to connect to the NET.

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 No.46659>>46663

>>46650
Wish ISP's could have an actually good network. Would make self hosting really easy.

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 No.46663>>46670

>>46659
I actually can get this.

I can also get ipv6

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 No.46670>>46674

>>46663
Lucky, wish I could get private IPv6 and IPv4. I could do so much more hosting. But ISP's have to throttle and do all that nasty stuff.

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 No.46671>>47293

>>46438
>hot, how do I get one of these?
Your ISP will likely assign a /64 subnet; you just have to either command your router to assign clients inside of a sub-range or sub-net with a vanity prefix, or set your computer itself to a vanity IP that's inside of the range your ISP gave you

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 No.46674

>>46670
I only now realize I quoted the wrong number for that post. But I suppose my answer also applies to that one too, yeah.

I mean to poke at >>46650 and their assumption that one absolutely gets NAT'd bullshit, which is false.

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 No.46685>>46825>>46937>>46991

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Good news! Since lainons are even more incompetent than the corporation I work for in fixing their damn DNS resolvers, I've gone ahead and acquired yet another domain to mirror my website to. Updated banner attached, although I have no plans to remove the original .art . https (colon slash slash) mayvaneday (dot) org

if the post box gives me one more "please make a better post" error, I am going to have an aneurysm

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 No.46825>>46832

>>46685
lol should have used njalla

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 No.46832>>46833

>>46825
Whats njalla? Programing language?

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 No.46833>>46857

>>46832
The least bad domain registar: https://njal.la

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 No.46857>>46861

>>46833
Thats cool, never heard of it.

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 No.46861

>>46857
I had a lot of dns issues and other issues with my domain provider so the solution was moving to njalla. so maybe that can help you

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 No.46863

Yo, though.
It's not like y'all're serving evens 10s of clients every minute, let alone hunderds of thousands per second.
What exactly does one gain from paying for a domain versus, say, putting it up with darkhttpd? Keep in mind, I don't under much about connection things

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 No.46882

>>46604
>>46610
Thank you lains! That was very much appreciated, especially the bash script.

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 No.46884

>>46650
I finally understood why you went on that weird tangent about NATs. The main vector of pwnage would be that no modern browser supports XP and all of its last supported browser versions have known vulns. How much do you trust adnets?

I vaguely recalled something about domain parking and its update servers, but I can't find it again so I might be mixing it up with something else.

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 No.46929>>46931>>46932>>46956>>46959

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>>46277 (OP)
Hey Lainons, my domain is https://0x4f.org. Previously I used crystaldata.neocities.org, but I decided to selfhost. Plz sign my guestbook.
Is there a database with all the webring participants I want to add you all?

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 No.46931>>46934

>>46929
very cool. I'm going to try to get a four letter domain myself soon, they're the sleekest.

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 No.46932


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 No.46933

Thank you for updating the banner. Thank you as well for the info on the database, I actually just got done updating all the links, but I really appreciate the effort you've put into this webring.

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 No.46934

>>46931
Yeah, they're pretty comfy. Glad you like the CSS!

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 No.46937

>>46685
I'm not sure there's much to be done for most lainons in fixing their DNS resolver. Kind of up to their ISP. Either way, it's better if your site is more reachable by simply entering the URL in insert-browser-here-address-bar for most Lainons. You'll get more exposure that way and a lot of people don't want to bother configuring something to deal with an otherwise should-be-simple task. Not knocking you, I think it's cool, but I also think you should weight the convenience option.

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 No.46938

>>46417
Nah, he has a point. You must have configured something incorrectly because other DNSs work fine, just whatever the hell you did to your site.

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 No.46939

So this is interesting. Without my VPN, your site is perfect accessible. With my VPN (Mullvad, Nord, etc), I can't access your site. Just thought I'd point it out. Now that I can actually enjoy your webpage, I've come to let you know that your layout looks pretty snazzy. It's nice to have you in the webring, Lain.

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 No.46942>>46958>>46991>>47532

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I built it with arabic because well..it's easier to express about my thoughts using my language.

https://karar.neocities.org/

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 No.46952>>46955>>47145

Guys... I need your help.

I also want to have a cool website like you all, but I can't decide on a domain name. It seems so important...

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 No.46955

>>46952
Make it something meaningful to you I’d say. I chose my domain (0x4F) because it’s representative of the four freedoms I believe in. (Free software, Free society, Free information, Free speech) thus the 4F. Try to think of something like that, but don’t sweat it too much, you can always change it.

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 No.46956>>46964>>47145

>>46929
hey bro wanted to say cheers to you cos your site is the reason i found lainchan. i saw your site on wiby and then found the webring from it

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 No.46958

>>46942
I don't understand soykaf but it looks good.

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 No.46959>>46964

>>46929
Love your website it's so clean. Also added your new banner to my website.

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 No.46964

>>46956
That's really nice to hear. It's Lainchan that actually got me into technology in the first place, so I'm glad my site introduced you to this place.
>>46959
Thank you, if you want you can have a look at the CSS here https://github.com/keizerrijk/0x4F. I really like your site too, it's also nice to see another youngish person here.

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 No.46991

>>46685
>>46942
I've added both of you to my site

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 No.47004>>47006>>47027

Damn it, my website looks like soykaf. Why do I design stuff like a 60 year old man.

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 No.47006>>47030

>>47004
Extricate yourself. Similarly to how so game developers make games they'd like and play, create a website that you'd like were you to encounter it in the, as the japs call it, WURDU WAIDU WEBU.

I program, style, deisgn, etc. all for my own benefit. That should circumscribe at least yourself, and depending on your knowledge will possibly expand (not gonna write a treatise here).

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 No.47023>>47044>>47532

You're welcome to join us at https://hue.merkoba.com
We got a chat room where we watch videos and images
Sometimes there's no activity at all, idling would be appreciated
Here's a screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/o1C5Gy6.jpg

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 No.47027>>47030

>>47004
Are you designing your website for other people or for yourself? One of the reasons that I love so many of the sites here on the webring, is because they're amazing examples of digital self expression, far removed from the "modern" "stylish" designs that litter the rest of the internet. Create something you like.

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 No.47030>>47145

>>47006
That's true. Half the time I am making the site I just think that "others" would like stuff like text being centered on the screen. Truth is, I've always prefered text aligning at the right side of the screen (like arabic), even though I am a westerner.

>>47027
Truth is I hate the stylish corporate art more than anything, but I tend to imitate it often.

Good advice from both of ye. Thanks.

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 No.47044

>>47023
Imgur is being stupid. I'm interested but I'll log in via TOR or with a good VPN. I'll be signing up soon. I plan to add you to my site.

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 No.47145>>47153>>47293

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Hello lainons, hows it going. Been a little while since I posted in the thread. I wrote an article on my site about archiving the webring threads, let me know what you all think of it (heres the link: https://yukinu.com/blog/lainring-archives.html).

Also, updated my site with some more banners, probably missing a lot, and may have some duplicates, but adding what I can when I have some time. Great sites to all of you anons! Theres been some really good stuff to see on these sites, really a breath of fresh air from modern sites.

>>46288
pretty much for nostalgia, aesthetic, and just for fun. also it is a nice way to find new sites. its pretty hard to find new sites these days off search engines alone

>>46290
really more of a link directory, yes. But ring in the sense that you can usually go from one website back to the same website in a circuit (even if its just between 2 sites).

>>46293
>>46295
>>46296
>>46297
>>46298
>>46380
If it were up to me, I would organize this type of ring like this: each site takes 3 random sites from the existing ring. they then create 3 <portals> to each of the sites. When a new site wants to join the ring, it then also 3 random sites and checks their <portal>s. the new site then keep picking 3 random sites to create portals for until it had 3 sites that are not found in the 9 <portals> that they checked so that the new site contains a more unique collection of portals. As new sites keep getting added, <portal>s will start to be created for older sites and create full circuits such that you can traverse say 4 or 5 sites and then get back to the original site you visited. Additionally, it would be totally decentralized and even if half of the links become dead links in the ring, you could still probably traverse through most of the ring due to redundancy (as each site has 3 portals on it). Sadly, <portal> has never been fully implemented! (technically it was implemented in chrome but is stuck behind a feature flag for about 2 years, so basically no chance of it at this point, very sad as with this feature we could create really cool web rings with seemless page traversal).

>>46324
>I have a strict policy of writing when I feel like I have something to say, which is why I write every few months.
same here pretty much, I usually wait until i come up with an idea for a short project before writing anything on my site. generally i think this is a good thing, it keeps the content more interesting when something does get written

>>46438
Nice work anon! very intersting to see a graph of the ring, pretty much as expected, a lot of sites are linked to each other since all the banners are often added when a new site is added. also very aesthetic terminal colors and font

>>46952
>game starts up
>"choose your character name!"
>3 hours pass, still havent come up with a name
I know this feel anon, picking domain names is tough

>>46956
>saw site on wiby
glad to see people are using wiby, its a great search engine to just browse the net with

>>47030
>Half the time I am making the site I just think that "others" would like stuff like text being centered on the screen. Truth is, I've always prefered text aligning at the right side of the screen (like arabic), even though I am a westerner.
great thing about the web is that pages are exchanged in source, so that users can modify their user style sheets to restyle the sites they visit. also some people may browse your site using browsers that wont interpret the styles anyways (such as text only browsers), or may browse with assistive technologies. so you should focus on the style that you like the best, especially if its a personal site

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 No.47153>>47171

>>47145
going forward it might just make more sense to archive the lainchan api .json files once threads reach their limit

https://lainchan.org/tech/res/46277.json

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 No.47161

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>>46551
I really like your site lainon!

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 No.47171

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>>47153
interesting, didnt know lainchan had a json api. I should grab those too and throw them into my archive so they are available in JSON format as well. thanks for sharing anon!

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 No.47200>>47271>>47410>>47422>>47532>>47951>>48725

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Finally made my own one. Gonna be adding yall mates soon.
https://erratas.neocities.org/

Also is there a way to host somewhere audio/video for playing on the bg? Neocities doesn't allow uploading it in its storage on the free plan. For now using youtube despite hating google with all my soul.

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 No.47251

>>46295
>>If the sites were ordered, what order would you put them in?
Randomized seems a nice idea, but the "webring" makes me think of a circular (doubly-linked) list so that every website has only two sites they connect to, the previous website and the next one. It kills the centralized concept since you are sent to another site anyway. Sadly, if any two sites stop working, your webring will leak sites.
Just an interesting idea that may never be implemented, sadly.

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 No.47258>>47265

>>46305
By the by, you forgot to remove your "Github" link. I'm assuming you deleted your account or something.
c;

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 No.47263>>47271>>47284>>47285>>47293