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 No.41189[Last 50 Posts]

New people are still joining, so this is part 4 of the webring thread.

Last thread: >>37647

How do I join?

* a link to your website
* a 240x60 banner of your website


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heres mine, will add yalls soon!



Not really related to the thread, but I'd figure it'd be a nice way to find some classic GIFs.
Try it if you want:



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hello there



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I didn't know how to get in touch outside of these threads, so I was meaning to warn you, your wallpapers.tar.gz download link 404s.



Yo thanks, I fixed it now. and I added a 404 page too.



unrelated note: what's with the "I don't endorse anything bad they do" I keep seeing under the webrings? obviously I know what it means, but they all sound the same, like there was one person running half the sites on the webring



to be honest I just copy pasted it lol. I'm lazy.



Okay I changed it.





Don't worry just the glowies checking in.



Thanks, added you! Very nice website btw!




I have a whole preamble about how I won't add Cloudflared sites, JS-dependent sites, etc - though that being said I've added 53 and only excluded 8.

Good to be able to point to, as it's an argument I've waged in previous threads and not one I can be bothered with having twice,



Slightly off topic, but I use Cloudflare for DNS, what should I be using? I'm a little new to webdev.



I hate to use as blunt a word, but some of the things Cloudflare is in a position to do are just evil. Refer here: https://codeberg.org/qorg11/stop_cloudflare/src/branch/master/readme/en.md

I understand it has legitimate uses as a CDN, but you need to have a site with a lot of traffic and a lot of heavy content (images, videos) for that to be a useful selling point. I've not had need to look into alternative CDNs.

For doing dynamic DNS, I use https://freedns.afraid.org/. They let you use subdomains for free, and you can register your own domain name with them. They have a web front-end to manage your subdomains, DDNS, etc. All the knowledge it requires is to navigate web pages, and paste commands into 'crontab -e'.

Bear in mind, as a disclaimer, this is just what I use. Others will disagree. Some will tell you just to use Tor and circumvent DNS entirely.



Finally got around to add the webring to my website, you can find it here: https://bendersteed.tech/webring.html

For the people that want to add it to their own websites, you can find the banners collected here.

Nice site, adding you right now.



Oh no I totally think Cloudflare can be/is a malevolent force. I want to move off of it but LainPack has been generating over 500gb of bandwidth per month recently, and I'm scared freeDNS won't be able to do that. Plus, threat protection and (non-intrusive) analytics are nice



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both added to the webring!



Having a quick look just now via search engine, I can see plenty of articles coming up peddling Cloudflare alternatives. That should be enough to compare the pros and cons involved. Honestly, anything that doesn't make people enable JavaScript and fill out captchas would be fine.

>(non-intrusive) analytics are nice

I do mine via shell scripting on my nginx log file. The logs are rotated out after 3 days, so nothing remotely identifiable is kept for long. It keeps everything wholly on my server, and all it contains before being rotated out is IPs (spoofable), user-agents (spoofable), and GET requests.



wait, Cloudflare requires you to enable JS and has captchas?? if so, im getting out ASAP



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I'm regularly behind Tor, or otherwise a proxy, and I have JavaScript disabled across the board. See pic related, it can't even load the captcha because JavaScript is disabled. It's sad to watch.



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Made a better webring if you guys want to use it, but don't bother to change your sites if you already have the original on it



fuarrrk, I had no idea. Looking back, a lot of "threats" cloudflare reported were probably Tor users. I'll be switching off cloudflare tomorrow, but for now I whitelisted Tor on Cloudflare. It works on my Tor browser, but if it doesn't on yours, let me know.



Still blocked for me. I assume they are looking at user-agents. Rather than use Tor Browser for day-to-day, I use Qutebrowser with a SOCKS proxy. I have spoofed a generic Mozilla user-agent, but perhaps that isn't enough.

I may try using the latest user-agent for Tor Browser, I'll pull it with a script. If anyone knows where I could reliably pull it from, let me know, I'll be looking.

>a lot of "threats" cloudflare reported were probably Tor user

Yeah, as far as I've heard, a lot of the reported threats are nonsense.



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Add me m8s, I'll be adding a section in my links page for this webring for sure. Still haven't read half the threads but I've already stumbled upon quite a few I like.

Currently using a self-signed cert for https, hope you don't mind!



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the low effort put into some of these websites (mainly the imageboards who don't mention the webring anywhere on their sites) has led me to change all links on my copy of the webring to rel="nofollow"

fuarrrk your SEO



Great site, added you. I've seen your site before, I recall it as being neohex.xyz in the past. Consider adding the ring locally given the chance.

Also feel I should warn you, I was meandering around, and several Git links under Porjects 404 on my end.



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Finally updated it
also RIP for all the websites in the ring that have dissapeared over the time



I think I posted the site once like a year ago in some internet 2.0 thread back when it still was neohex.xyz, can't believe you recognized it.

Thanks for the heads up, still in the process of moving the repos to the new gitea service.



Added you, glad you de-Cloudflared. I'm quite fond of your site.

I may have just found it through trawling the internet, I wouldn't be sure whether or not I found it through Lainchan specifically at this point. It is a pretty distinctive-looking site.

I've started to notice two "schools" of web design around this particular neighbourhood of the internet. There's a 'Fauux' camp, and a 'Systemspace' camp, of course with some overlap.

My site takes a degree of unashamed inspiration from Fauux. I've seen Angus Nicneven's site, Terminal00, which takes Fauux's style to its logical extreme. Yours looks much closer to Systemspace, and I can see from your links this was intentional (incidentally I was member #6 at Systemspace, was bored and curious at the time, didn't do much with it). I've seen some imageboards and other sites use the scanline effect you're using, Wired-7 and VHSchan come to mind.

I don't have a point in saying all this, I just find it interesting to observe these trends in design over the past several years.



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Banner updated



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r u sure that it's de-cloudflared? shodan says differently



That was updated over a day ago, so it may be wrong. I don't see the typical signs of Cloudflare on my end, which consistently blocks me. Also, SIX10 said he planned to de-Cloudflare it, for what it's worth.

We can see for sure once Shodan updates.



I haven't yet! I set the Cloudflare security thing to "bare minimum" (lowest you can go) and am in the process of searching for an alternative CDN right now.

I'm still new to WebDev, will FreeDNS not like that I serve over a 100gb per month because of LainPack? It's just a rar file.



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I think both Fauux & Systemspace are among the more popular examples of a style that is just different enough from what the mainstream web has to offer, their themes are severely underused as well so there's a lot of room for experimentation. I think most call them "lainsites" since it's perhaps the main underlying inspiration for both, whatever the case there's a certain unique charm to the concept I really enjoy.

It's a shame how we were hyped up to believe that someday we would adopt the cyberpunk aesthetic into our own technology just to end up with lame pastel colors and rounded buttons.

btw if anyone else likes the VHS scanlines effect you can get it here https://xenobyte.xyz/scripts/?nav=scanlines



fuarrrk it, i bought Namecheaps PremiumDNS and quickly set that up. Removed my site from Cloudflare, may take a few for their DNS to update.



Was just about to say I realised I may have mislead you: afraid.org is not a content delivery network, if that's what you're looking for. The files would be uploaded directly from your server, if you were using afraid.org alone. It's just DNS and dynamic DNS, packaged with free subdomains and some useful tools.

That being said, it's a larger, more reliable service than their old-school website would suggest. Their stats claim to process over 300 million queries daily.

Well, glad you worked something out, at least I'm not being barred from accessing your content any more.

I was tempted to go all-out at one point, in regards to the CSS. It's very easy. I thought of doing something with digital snow, but floating upwards, and with parallax - with or without the scanlines also. I tried it, but I found the processor usage unforgivable (yes, I did optimise it to additionally utilise the GPU).

Granted, I have an old machine, but I'd like my site to be usable for as many people as possible.

>there's a lot of room for experimentation

Anyone else reading who hasn't checked out Terminal 00, please do so now, you will have a good time.

>It's a shame how we were hyped up to believe that someday we would adopt the cyberpunk aesthetic into our own technology just to end up with lame pastel colors and rounded buttons.

Cyberpunk is an attitude - live cheap, have a living space in dire need of a repair job, work nocturnally, use salvaged hardware, customise your software, and subsume yourself in wires. Not that I can relate, of course.

Anyone that self-proclaims to be a cyberpunk, however, can, should, and will be subject to scrutiny.



Thank you, I think it's fully up now (although my main machine still can't access it for whatever reason)

Also, I like your site just the way it is! It feels fauux-y but also has it's own distinct flavor. Very comfy.



For style inspiration, I think this site is worth seeing, it's great: https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/

To steal a font, if for nothing else. I'm already deeply entrenched in what I've set up (this was intentional, I could tinker endlessly otherwise), but for anyone else looking to further develop what they're doing, or getting ideas to start working with, I'll leave this here.



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Adding because another lainon told me to.



Added, consider adding a local ring yourself.

I like the look of your site, simple and effective. I like that you have an RSS feed too. Enjoy the X220, it's a meme but I'm maining an X200 at the moment. I've also convinced someone here to add themselves to the ring.



Thank you, I like keeping it simple and as fast as possible to load up on people's devices. The x220 is a decent laptop, and I got a dock for it as well. Probably the only laptop I've ever been able to take apart and put back together in under 30 minutes. The RSS feed is mostly for showing updates on the site, but I'm hoping to use it more. The x200 seems more functional btw, not big on the touchpad on my x220. Trackpoint purity ftw.



>Probably the only laptop I've ever been able to take apart and put back together in under 30 minutes.
Yes, I'm very fond of mine, it's a cute laptop. Great for portability, which was useful as I was doing a lot more travelling before 2020. Weighs less than a couple of pounds without the battery.

It's the first laptop I've had I've cared enough about to take apart every few months, look over, and clean.

And on a minimal Linux install, a Core 2 Duo and up to 8 GB of DDR3 is more than you'll ever need.

>Trackpoint purity ftw.

Yes, truly Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

I only use a mouse if I'm ever doing heavy image manipulation work, say for an hour or more, for fear of carpal tunnel. Trackpoint is functional for anything lesser.



I just don't like using mice because they get in the way of typing more. I ended up buying a trackpoint included lenovo usb keyboard just to try to minimize the usage of the mouse as well as hotkeys to move windows around my dual monitor setup. I'm almost entirely convinced the mouse is just a meme device that it took Steve Jobs to steal it from Xerox to justify people in buying one.




>And on a minimal Linux install, a Core 2 Duo and up to 8 GB of DDR3 is more than you'll ever need.

I'm rocking here with a corebooted t400 , 4GiB RAM (or something like that i don't really know)
>I only use a mouse if I'm ever doing heavy image manipulation work, say for an hour or more, for fear of carpal tunnel. Trackpoint is functional for anything lesser.
touchpads are the way for everything fnord
I use a trackball mouse, Elecom EX-G and i love it





Oh! I forgot to ask, does anyone know of any good website analytics CLI programs? I run nginx, if that means anything.




I like goaccess



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someone drop all the current links so I can add them



just go on someones site and copy it



Added you. I'll point you in the direction of the local ring I keep on my onion mirror, as I curate that one to have more onion mirrors where available. I figure you're more interested in that.

I have basically all of them, but there's a couple I purposefully excluded for one reason or another (imageboard looking for free advertisement, JS-dependent, Cloudflared, etc) I keep track of in case the situation changes. I'll list them here, plus their banners in the next posts, for those interested.

https://28chan.org/board/ - Free advertisement
http://geocities.ws/skeletons/ - Cloudflared
https://www.heyuri.net/ - Free advertisement
http://kolyma.jp/ - Free advertisement
https://kuz.lol/ - Cloudflared, redacted joining the ring
http://wired-7.org/ - Free advertisement, needs JS to load content in places, autoplay music

That should be literally everything from the past 4 threads (besides saladslab, which moved to born2live.tk). Banners incoming.



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If anyone asks in the future, refer here.



Do you have a directory with all the banners?





I didn't, until about 5 minutes ago. That's a pretty good idea, thanks.

Refer here:

Any I don't actively use for whatever reason are under unused/. Accessing any other directory is still 403, besides those two.



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Finished adding the webring to the links section

If I missed any just let me know



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Here's mine. Still going strong.




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> http harmful
> serves his site over http



>he thinks gemini is a good protocol



Crystaldata here, I haven't updated my site in a while and added all the new people yet because I'm transitioning the site to a self hosted raspi. Thanks to all the people who added me to their site, I will return the favour soon.



but it is




One line per paragraph, or, 1000 chars long lines.
No images
But there are emojis!
Mandatory TLS (Which gives poor support for hidden services)



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>One line per paragraph, or, 1000 chars long lines.
>No images
this is a problem with gemtext and not gemini, actually
>Mandatory TLS (Which gives poor support for hidden services)
just self-sign your certificates, bro. works on my machine



the one line per paragraph is a valid point, and i hope it will be addressed in the near future (especially since gemini blew up recently)

but the whole point of a text based internet is no images lol gopher has been around for decades and no one has ever complained about it being text only



>lol gopher has been around for decades
That's something I've wondered about - sage both for off-topic, and because I don't know what I'm talking about - what makes Gemini different?

I did a quick read up, and read the Gemini thread on here, so to avoid spilling the soykaf. As far as I know, Gemini has the advantage of being encrypted as standard, where Gopher is plaintext (which is not enough) and is unlikely to ever support something like TLS. Although, I think you can get around this with SSH tunneling or Tor - and I might prefer to do so, since Gopher has more support in existing browsers I already use regularly (for example, Lynx).

I've thought about making a Gopher before, when I have more free time. I might be sold on Gemini if there's more to it than just the fact it is encrypted, and being purposefully inflexible.



I think gemini is like kicking dead whales down the beach (https://kill-9.xyz/harmful/software/gemini)
Gopher is not plain text, it supports html files and all of that, see gopher://qorg11.net
And well, about SSL, you're right, it doesn't, being realistic, as long as your son is not an ebin gombuder hagger :DDD you'll be safe without TLS things. but yeah you can always make a .onion as i did



>Gopher is not plain text
Ah, I meant that in the sense that it's not encrypted, I should have used clearer language. I'm aware Gopher can serve basically any file. As a side note, I'm quite fond of the idea of serving content with an explicit directory structure, just seems intuitive to me.

I like encryption as a general principle, that, and I know far too many people on a personal level that could use a cleartext site against me, even if it was just as a joke.



>Ah, I meant that in the sense that it's not encrypted, I should have used clearer language. I'm aware Gopher can
ah, lmao
well check my gophersite anyways

>I like encryption as a general principle, that, and I know far too many people on a personal level that could use a cleartext site against me, even if it was just as a joke.

.onion or .i2p then, or weird things with ssh/socat



by weird things with socat i mean something like this
socat  TCP-LISTEN:8082,fork SOCKS4A:,socksport=9050 



Explanation: this basically takes port 70 from lainwir3dfshkjfsdfsd.onion and makes it your port 8082, all request you send to the port 8082 will be encrypted using tor, but you can access port 8082 via clearnet



That's pretty cool, thanks, I'll take a note of it.



nvm, i sniffed packages and this does absolutely nothing, so don't try it.



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>gemini considered harmful
>alternatives: http
>http considered harmful



I guess the same thing will happen with ssh tunnels as your gopher client don't know how to encrypt to a ssh tunnel
Everything gets the axe at kill-9
>Be aware that in the section about software I’m not saying “STOP USING THAT SOFTWARE IT SUUUUUUUUUUUCKS” i’m saying that the software has some soykafty points.





Why cannot I access it using tor? (clearnet address)



I've been playing around with AbuseIPDB's API to block botnets in iptables recently, and more than likely your exit node was recently used to brute force someone's SSH or something dumb like that, so it got blocked. I haven't implemented filtering out the Tor exit nodes from the blocklist the API gives me yet



Ah, well I just use fail2ban (https://qorg11.net/https://qorg11.net/sshban.txt) and that's it
also, set
PasswordAuthentication No 
in your sshd_config and you won't have to worry about brute force unless there's a new ssh vuln



>I guess the same thing will happen with ssh tunnels as your gopher client don't know how to encrypt to a ssh tunnel
Hm, I suppose that's true, I'll see when I get around to it. If all else fails and I'm still intent that I want to set up a Gopher, I could just use an onion address.

As it is my HTTP sites work fine in text based browsers, although the layout doesn't translate to text as well as it could. It would be good to have something better suited for that environment.



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I was busy removing stuff from my website, as well as soykaf like online exams and I haven't posted here since my last post on the previous thread. So here's my updated version of the webring.



Gemini is basically Gopher 2. Gopher isnt in active development anymore (although it still gets use), and therefore it won't be able to keep up with growing security standards.

Gemini is in active development, and while it says it wants to be a "middle-ground" between gopher and https, it's really just a successor to Gopher, which is fine. I really like plaintext, but I don't think its going to replace https. It's really only going to find use in hobbyists (although it would be badass if it doesn't!)



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Added a graveyard for the webring. where's yukinu?



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