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Hello lainons, this is the part 3 of the webring thread
last thread: >>29660

How do i join?


* link to your website
* a 240x60 banner of your website

i'll be adding your websites to https://qorg11.net/webring.xhtml

site of the lainon who came up with the idea: https://yukinu.com




I am actually hoping more to receive mail than send. Email is mostly an corperate mailbox as is postal these days. Cellphones and IM have all peoples real data.



The anon who did this site: https://nightt.neocities.org/
Your site is pure nostalgia for me. I also love the fact that some images are links(which I didn't realize the first time I visited the site) to more images. Thank you for making it.



real last thread: >>33813



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My site is https://lainch.leibur.eu

RIght now it's mostly in Estonian, I'll add a English language option when I can.

For now there isn't much, but I'm working on getting a webradio set up.




The absolute state of eesti keel))



Went radio silent for a while, but my copy of the web ring should still be up to date: https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php


Are all added.

Also added you.



this is cute

if anyone wants to make an ad for the lain ring, we'll definitely run it in lainzine 7

I'll put a banner for lainzine.org up soon

also hi qorg



Finish lainzine 5 first pls



I'm no good with visuals, but here's an idea for the text:
>Ever feel alone? spun-up in a vast web of lies?
>[more pseudo- emotional-manipulation/propaganda]
>Join the everlasting circle-jerk: lainring [banner, link]
Another idea is one that's hyperbolically fearmongering, parodying the way some ``secure'' services do.



so basically you want to found a branch of the Church of SubGenius?



Coarse Enigma Introduction to DNS
>Overview of Internet DNS infrastructure
>How to Query with Dig
>Authoritative vs Non
>Recursive vs Non
>What does alice think?
>What kind of content does alice want?



hi junk! :3



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hello my fellow webringers.
I am really busy with exams, I will update the list soon!

cya y'all



ill update my webring one of these days, i can't rn



I put a page up on lain tilde 0.






Interesting article on DNS. Is it possible to query some central server and get info on all registered names in the world?



No, most DNS servers don't allow bulk transfer of domain information. This is partly "security" to prevent easy enumeration of "private" networks. Note the scare quotes, as you shouldn't actually depend on this to protect you.



yukinu, i was checking in and saw your site has been suspended :( what's happened, everything good?



Hmm, what would the ad look like? An ad for the concept, an ad for the lainchan thread, or an ad that contains everyone in the webring?



do you know of a guide on setting up an audio stream like this?



only just realized what small_windows_see_the_truth is about, man i love that site



No because DNS is delegated. So the root servers hold only pointers to the TLD servers. The TLD servers hold pointers to servers for a paticular zone. So no single nameserver anywhere knows everything. Caching Nameservers / ISP nameservers listen to an answer a wide variety of queries, and therefore have a lot of info cached, but there is no obvious way to get that information.



Same here, anon. It all ends this Monday, then I'll get some articles and whatnot ready.



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Resubmitting my site since I now have a better banner (the old activelink.png still exists)

clearnet: https://mayvaneday.art
tor: http://meynethaffeecapsvfphrcnfrx44w2nskgls2juwitibvqctk2plvhqd.onion
i2p: http://zli2qsg54w7y42vgw4xxlnj4nktcpg7xp33yjxkp33sjafvznbwa.b32.i2p

if any pages are missing, that's because I'm preparing to drop a new book new year's day 2021 and I have to rearrange a few things



weird, your clearnet domain stopped working in the pas t hour, do you know what's up with that?



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It's been a while, I'm back again. I've done things to clean up code on the back-end, but more notably, I have onion domains for all of my sites. If I make any more subdomains, they'll definitely get onions too. You can add them as my link if you prefer:

concealed.world: http://hpxhgn5rajv3gcfi6ynqlglc75iny4kt27gt2z3cabs6jegpgpbhvkid.onion/
git.concealed.world: http://q4zdtysdf2v6vijgbv7jemztmsls4jyo3kte6yuoodkzqbel25yhidyd.onion/

I've added your new image, and listed your onion address on my onion mirror.

It's a bit small as we're doing 240x60, but I've added it for the time being anyway. I like that you've done more since I last saw you.



Everything is working just fine on my end. Check your DNS config. Apparently whatever the default DNS provider at Namesilo (I think it's DNSOwl) has been having lots of problems lately for others.



Thank you






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Vuelve a tu puto sitio de mierda, node





Porque no hacer un webring en wired-7 tambien?



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You lains have cute websites to be honest




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this is for personal websites, not for soykafty imageboards



Added you, I love the style. Welcome home pink comrade.

Going to side with this lainon on this issue.

Typically I would give someone the benefit of the doubt, as their site may be WIP, and they may be unfamiliar with the tools used, so I will add them anyway. It takes little effort on my part, and it is difficult to police. I'm personally choosing to add just about anyone.

However, if you're running an imageboard, you're clearly familiar enough with the tools used that it should take a few minutes to do at most. If you're too lazy for this, do as https://sftn.github.io/links.html, and just link to someone else's copy.

I've dropped 28chan.org and kolyma.jp from my web ring unless they add it themselves, though I'll keep a copy of their banners server-side. Likewise, I'll keep heyuri.net and wired-7.org's banners around, but I'll add them when they add the ring to their own sites.

I advise anyone else to follow the same principle if in doubt.

Refer to above, find somewhere to link the ring. I note you have a "Links" page.

Likewise, and your banner isn't even 240x60. Also

>can't load plain HTML without JavaScript

>CSS fog animation trying to assassinate my CPU
I shiggy diggy.



Oh, I thought the thread died, I was still lurking in the old one. I forgot to take my flashdrive with the updated webpages.

I'll update mine soon enough and add all of ye





>not for soykafty imageboards
Competition makes Lain sad?



I feel the spirit of the original web ring thread was to promote the creation of new, small sites. Adding Pointless Imageboard(tm) #473 to that doesn't quite fit.

That being said, I'd probably still add them if they also added the web ring. I think a lot of imageboard owners post their link and never check the thread again, so I'm at no obligation to give them free traffic.



More like spammers taking advantage of the webring thread. You would likely be surprised at how many people do exactly what >>38737 said... and for what purpose? Some future donation campaign like the last 2 or 3 imageboards? SAD!
Polite sage for being loosely off-topic.



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240x60 and i'll add you
Si node nos añade, con mucho gusto



Nope, i actually checked this thread this morning but waited until i got on my pc to post. I think you made alot of unfair generalizations about me and the site without even checking it out.



Yeah, I'll admit it's a generalisation, but I feel like I need that default standpoint as so not to give benefit of the doubt to people that shouldn't need it, because an imageboard owner should know how to and be capable of adding a web ring.

For your individual case you'd prove me wrong if you host or link to the ring, and I would add you. Which site was yours?



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long time lurker finally posting. lacking in content but just started recently. been up just over a couple of weeks and already have thousands of automated bot requests seeking exploits. will have to look into mitigating that if it gets too annoying.

todo: lots of backend quality of life changes, customizable rss, maybe a schway radio page

took the advice of concealedworld and will start excluding forums that dont include the webring



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You inspired me to finally post my soykafty website that is under construction (and probably will be for a good while).
I didn't want to at first because I currently don't really have the time and energy to work on the website and because I don't have a banner, but I decided to just make a quick one and maybe update it later.

I really like the webring idea so I want to contribute to it.

I'll add the other lainon's site banners when I have the time and energy, but for now I'll go the way of linking other people's ring's.

Enjoy, I guess





I'm reminded I should start using the name field again, I forget about it. I would trip, but my writing style is distinctive and I find it unlikely I'm interesting enough to pretend to be.


Added. I like your style and your content.

>already have thousands of automated bot requests seeking exploits. will have to look into mitigating that if it gets too annoying.

I had the same thing happen. It started when I joined freedns.afraid.org, as it allowed me to make a cron job to do DDNS. It's been months and I've yet to have more visitors than I have had bots, but the numbers are now closing in on one another.

You could try out something like fail2ban, or work with what's available with iptables already. I wrote a script to manage it, but that's not really necessary, just flexing on my part - it's on my Git server.


>"unapologetically share the things I believe in, or that interest me enough for me to deem them worthy of being shouted into the digital void?"
I personally find it tough justifying my yells into the abyss, as it would infer that my opinions actually matter. It always makes me happy seeing people's personal sites, though. I should write more soon.

Added you too.



>Added you too.
Much appreciated!

I realized I have some free time on my hands this weekend, so I might be able to add the banners to my own webring after all.

My webdev workflow is essentially non-existent at this point, making everything really tedious.
If you have any tips for a workflow (that would ideally fit the minimalistic style that I'm going for on my website) that works for you, or worked for you starting out, I'd appreciate it a lot!



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Just updated the webring on my site!



I had this cute little static site that is my own personal link farm for a while now. It's hosted on a local rpi 3b+ and due to my internet connection it doesn't have 99.9999% uptime, but it's up most of the time. I don't even pay for the domain. There is also a little blog, though I'm not sure I really want to recommend it to anybody.

site: https://strlst.myogaya.jp/index.html
banner: https://strlst.myogaya.jp/res/banners/strlst.png

you can view the webring in all it's glory at https://strlst.myogaya.jp/misc/webring.html, hopefully you'll take me in



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Nice website!
I've also added the website i haven't added yet for some reason



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I have updated my website you are in!




I used >>38797 your web ring links to open everyone's pages to take a look. I currently don't have a site, but I'm thinking of making one soon. I got a roaring laugh out of qorg11's email to RMS:


>I ask for a friend

Nice work on all your sites and making it fun to explore them easily.



Awesome! I was sort of intoxicated when I decided to make an effort for the webring, now that I look back, perhaps I should try to make the site more appealing.

It's curious how keeping the webring up to speed works without any sort of central management.



Tengo pensado hacerlo



I think we have nothing better to do
Me pido ser el primero



this site is really cool



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Added. I appreciate you keeping links and lists around, all I have are some sites I like and my record collection.

>I think we have nothing better to do

>If you have any tips for a workflow
Hm, it depends on what software you are using. I generally consider the ideal to be automation - to automate all that can be automated in the most efficient manner you can. Reserve creativity for the brain, and leave the manual work for the machine.

I see static site generators being used, I liked the look of www.tohya.net a lot. You could write something from scratch, or use something existing.

Scripting languages often used in web development are also an option - I automated almost everything with PHP (I had no prior experience and it was the first web scripting language I came across, but it works for me), so that writing an article was as simple as dropping a plain HTML file into a directory and then later I automated writing the HTML itself to an extent too.

I would at least say that including the header and footer should be automated, either via a scripting language, or static site generator - on the big assumption you haven't already. You may get more ideas as you go along, and your needs become more complex.

I like Vim because I like bulk actions and macros. It may help when doing things like long lists. Consider an editor with macros.

That's probably about all I can suggest, unless you're looking for something more specific.



>I generally consider the ideal to be automation
I really need to start learning how to do this. My site has 0% automation (I am even adding stuff to the RSS manually) and would be nice to speed things up



On the assumption you're on a Linux distro or a *BSD, learning some Bash/sh should suffice. I have a script that parses my article content and various other variables, and inserts them to the top of the feed with sed. It's not portable and I only expect it to work as an example, but see here: https://git.concealed.world/shell-scripts/file/mkrss.html

Basically any web scripting language will have something akin to an 'include', for things like headers and footers, thus avoiding the circumstance where the header needs changed - and you need to change it for every file. Alternatively, static site generators, but I have little experience with them.



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Heya! been a lurker/nonfat-soykaf drinker on lainchan and 8chan's cyber for a while,, made a site a couple weeks ago... do yall think it has the guts to join yer webring :3


Sorry the name is real stupid,, I got a really hawt deal on it tho :D




Added clearnet link on clearnet web ring, and likewise onion link on onion web ring. Your site reminds me of simpler times, whether or not that was intentional.



We are honored concealed.world-sama,, thank you for this oppurtunity!



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>it depends on what software you are using.
Not any currently to be honest. I'm running my web server for hosting my website and that's essentially it.
I used a static site generator (https://www.romanzolotarev.com/ssg.html) to convert Markdown files from a small wiki I had hosted on GitHub to html, but that didn't work too well and I had to fix a bunch of stuff, so I won't use that one anymore.

>I see static site generators being used

That's what I want to start using at one point, I just have to get into it. It seems like the best solution for a static website, Just need to find one I like.

>Scripting languages often used in web development are also an option

Things like PHP seem a bit overkill for me. I see the use you have for it, and your workflow is nicely adapted to it, but I don't think it would make sense for me.

>and then later I automated writing the HTML itself to an extent too

I saw you having a post about that, wanted to read through it at one point. It seemed interesting. Maybe it will give me some inspiration.

>on the big assumption you haven't already.

yeah... I don't yet lol. That's a big part of why I asked about the workflow you guys had. Static site generators seem to be able to do that; the one I used, ssg, just had you put 2 files in your directory and the content of those would be pre-/appended to the other files that are supposed to be converted.
The downside is you have to generate everything again after changing a header, but I guess to me that's better than using php only to include those dynamically.
That makes me think, maybe entr could be used to look for changes in these 2 files ssg uses to automatically generate new versions of files and put them in the right place...

>I like Vim because I like bulk actions and macros.

You have good taste. I can't work without vim.
I'm just looking for a web development workflow, the rest I'm more than familiar with. I just haven't dabbled with webdev.

Thanks for the suggestions, it jumpstarted my brain. Now to not be lazy and implement the stuff...

I can't relate to the content at all, but as >>38870 said, the site has a nice nostalgic? vibe to it.



Yeah, it's perhaps true that a scripting language was of more use to me, because when I started making my site I had a very specific vision of how I wanted it to work, and was willing to start from scratch. Granted, it's total overkill to just convey text, the site became admittedly more like a personal art project. A static site generator will probably suit most people better.

>I saw you having a post about that, wanted to read through it at one point. It seemed interesting.

That was also somewhat overkill, but I had fun with it.



Doesn't matter as long as you have fun with it.

I'm currently setting up my page with a static site generator. I decided to go for blogc because I like the philosophy behind it.
It will take some time, though. I essentially need to redo everything from scratch, convert my GitHub wiki thing to blogc's own source language, figure out how the templates work exactly and think about the structure of my website (I'm not sure if I want to keep the wiki section).

I'm writing my first proper blog post on it as I go, in case I forget how I set up stuff or someone else stumbles upon it and can get some useful information out of it (I didn't find anything on blogc just browsing around for a few minutes). Will also put my stuff up on GitHub, as usual (before setting up my own git server instance that is).



added the onion mirror!

My website is text-only but I have a banner: http://ic3333h2g3p7ffv6ypscxfvgomi2oj7x45xkqzpay6txjl2nlg5qwcid.onion/webring/banner.png



Thank you for sharing this, it really helps a lot. I'm using linux now but just started with this so my knowledge of bash is basically none, but well I need to start somewhere



Thanks boss!

>I can't relate to the content at all, but as >>38870 said, the site has a nice nostalgic? vibe to it.
Jaja we are unsure of our vibe aswell,, thx for adding!

>>38867 (You)
>added the onion mirror!
Thanks frost daddy! love ur onion!!! <3



This may be a shameless self-plug, but it actually occured to me while posting my haphazard scripting on my website, I should make some suggestions for how people would make their own. If you're familiar with the fundamental concepts of a programming language, it should be enough to give you a starting point: https://concealed.world/Scripting/_index.php?post=scriptingessentials.php

Of course, plenty of resources out there. I never set out to learn Bash, I just learned a little bit whenever I thought to automate something. It's often reffered to as not being a real language, but for that reason it's stupidly easy to pick up.



>This may be a shameless self-plug
Don worry at all about that, this is exactly what I was needing to start. Thanks a lot!



disappointed to see no Gemini/Gopher sites here



Gemini is a stupid fad that will pass. I'm not interested in joining this webring, but here's my Gopher hole:

I usually avoid linking to my work like this, but that's all these threads exist for, so it's different. I'd be interested in receiving any thoughts on my work, of course.



Sorry, anon-kun, I thought this was an HTTP thread, so I only put my HTTP site :( but since there is now demand!




there's gopher://qorg11.net but i don't update it



>Gemini is a stupid fad that will pass.



Gemini is someone looking at how people are abusing Gopher, such as using menues for articles rather than the text item type, and deciding that a format which makes that the default, along with mandatory encryption and some other garbage strewn on top, makes for a compelling new protocol. Gemini has undesirable and completely unnecessary characteristics at the protocol level, such as freeform fields where fixed-location would be better, and doesn't even allow for resuming a download at a certain point, which is so basic and an example of something that would be a meaningful addition over Gopher.

Mandatory encryption done like this is nonsense, and it also kills most attempts at retro computing, which is a large part of the draw with Gopher. It's entirely uncompelling.



I've sent you an email regarding the activelink of your freesite



Checked the sites and welp, I wish to be this cool



> mandatory encryption is uncompelling
would you rather have your ISP able to silently change your text in transit? I agree with you on the resumable downloads part, though
> it also kills most attempts at retro computing
Different use cases for different devices. Nobody is forcing you to use Gemini if Gopher is all that works on your machine
> I can't download your activelink
Everything is fine on my end, but I've force-reinserted it for good measure.



>would you rather have your ISP able to silently change your text in transit?
I send almost all of my traffic through Tor, and I've never had an issue with unencrypted resources being tampered with. Perfect strangers are more trustworthy than US corporations being paid, I know.

What I eventually want to do is provide signed hash digests of my files in a known location, which provides stronger guarantees than TLS does. I don't care if traffic be encrypted nearly as much as I care that it be what was intended.

Of course, I highly doubt anything offered over Gemini is genuinely worth encrypting. The reason encrypting everyone's stupid little websites, no matter how insignificant, became popular is because Google, et al. didn't want their advertisements being interfered with. Now they can use encryption to control hardware after they sell it, which is disgusting. It also has the added benefit that hardware not even one decade old is beginning to become useless for browsing the WWW, requiring new hardware with newer software.

If I were to only offer my website encrypted, that would make me entirely dependent on outside organizations over which I've no control, and I refuse this if only because it's unnecessary.

The one time I've noticed my website being intercepted, and having JavaScript injected, was when some jackass placed Cloudflare over my website, for some reason; the fool may have even thought he was doing something helpful.



> If I were to only offer my website encrypted, that would make me entirely dependent on outside organizations over which I've no control, and I refuse this if only because it's unnecessary.
Curious to know your thoughts on self-signed certificates, since they don't seem to have this dependency?



I'm to understand the WWW browsers purposefully make using these infeasible; were that not the case, I'd probably be offering one. In any case, my website will always be offered unencrypted. The only excuse for omnipresent encryption is if it's going to be done competently and at a level that can't cause issues so very easily, such as the level of the network itself. Gemini has little good reason to make encryption mandatory.

So, I'm of the opinion that encryption either needs to be done well and at a level where the average user need not even think of it, much less interact with it when programming most of the times, or that eliding encryption should always be an option.



I'll predict that it's just as bafflingly incoherent and devoid of knowledge of how the web works as the rest of their word-salad in >>38976.



>Now they can use encryption to control hardware after they sell it
>hardware not even one decade old is beginning to become useless for browsing the WWW
I have a desktop and a laptop that are both over a decade old that were low-end even back in their day, and they function just fine with "modern" websites? The only problem I've seen is screen tearing with flashy animated backgrounds on Neocities sites



Don't spill the soykaf. If I'm thought to be wrong, then tell me why. In any case, let this be my last post on this topic; feel free to have the last word. I want to discuss my work, not the WWW or Gemini.

Google and other companies sell hardware which uses encryption to serve its true master, not the person who purchased it. Google helped champion that DNS over HTTPS garbage, and that conveniently prevents people who purchase the hardware from telling it which DNS server to use, which is useful for things such as monitoring and blocking advertisements. Now, more advanced users could spoof the DNS server IP addresses, were it not for techniques such as certificate pinning. Companies such as Google shove ever more around with HTTPS in order to make it an all-or-nothing blocking effort.

I referred in particular to the awful little tracking devices called cell phones by this. They stop getting updated after a few years, which conveniently includes TLS and certificate updates, so they eventually can't access most encrypted websites, and ever more websites are only available encrypted, without much reason.

Now again, have the last word on this topic, I don't care. I'll only respond further if it involves my work, which actually interests me.



no need to be rude, anon. you were the one who came in here and derailed the thread

I may be blind, but did you just resize your original site button? it's very blurry and hard on the eyes compared to the other ones on the webring



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heya qorg pretty cool webring idea I'm a partner site with user-index and would be very happy if you added me to the ring!





please give me a sec ill add them one of these days



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just added your site!



Thanks guys :D



Coarse Enigma back again.
>(tr|b)ash : Unix Scripting Overview
What does lain think?



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brought everything up to speed



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Nice site, your banner is a mess though. To be fair, the part from the first thread saying something along the lines of "Try to keep it under 50 KB," was ommitted.

I assume you did it with some kind of recording software. I had a look and it has 270+ 10ms frames, so I'm not surprised it's 2.2 MB. Even with some optimisation I only got it down to 1.7. Looking at the HTML on https://skumsoft.ltd/, I saw that it was a transparent png with a looping gif background.

I ended up just taking a screenshot, because I didn't want to subject people on Tor to downloading a 2+ MB banner. This ended up being sharper, but it's not animated. If you ever want me to add another banner image let me know.

Added https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php



I like your site a lot



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I will update the webring on my site later today but I tried to optimize your banner and got it to 360k. Also great site!



I've written some brief notes.

In many cases, there is improperly used where their should be. I also saw this with your and you're, along with other errors I won't mention.

>These names can be abbreviated via aliases, Get-ChildItem -> gci which is much more respectable.

Why is this more respectable? Explain.

>Microsoft is a direct competitor to *nix, and the command line is really far to important for Microsoft to own.

I'm a UNIX-HATER, so I'm inclined to point out that UNIX neither invented nor owns the command line as well.

>Powershell is an attempt to blend both but dumps Unix culture, C, and hands control of the shell to Microsoft.

This is, again, an odd sentence.

>Historically, there has been no effective competitor to the Unix CLI.

This is false. I don't have a video offhand, but take a look at the Lisp Listener available on Lisp Machines. These provided an REPL interface, but the text maintained its identity; this means that printing an integer, or anything else, doesn't make it become a senseless string of characters, because the system still knows what it actually is; it could also do things the UNIX sh can't, such as using array functions to manipulate image files, with results shown at the listener like anything else.

I didn't learn anything from this post, but I'm already very knowledgeable. I appreciate the surveillance of Powershell was mentioned, as I'd actually forgotten about that detail. To conclude, it's odd to read the valid criticisms of sh, but see the author still defend it; sh, along with the rest of UNIX, is a disgusting mess.



you got me red handed recording it lmao, but Ill try to remake it here at some point instead of recording like a lazy fuarrrk

thanks a bunch for adding me!!

thank you!



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Nice idea, I'm working on adding a webring to my blog as well, would it be fine to share it there?



> I'm working on adding a webring to my blog as well, would it be fine to share it there?
What exactly do you mean, lainon? Put our webring on your website, or share some other webring in this thread?



Nice site, added you https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php

>I'm working on adding a webring to my blog as well, would it be fine to share it there?

Assuming you mean add the web ring, yes, that's the idea. Either hosting it yourself, or linking to someone else's web ring copy out of laziness.



Thanks for adding it!

Yeah that's what I meant.

I'm working on a static site extension that will automatically grab and build as html from rss feeds and present them in my blog. So maybe I'll combine it with the webring created here.



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What about apng?



how the hell did you do that?






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It's a file format.



is it okay if i just submit a link to my neocities page? i'm too poor to afford a cheap domain + i like the community aspect of it.



There's already a couple of Neocities sites on here anyway, I don't see why not.



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Hey. I thought I'd take a shot at joining too.

Here is my site: https://kuz.lol/
and here's the webring: https://kuz.lol/ring.php

In theme with this site, I would also like everyone to take a look at a recent project of mine—which seeks to allow everyone free hosting (and a free subdomain if you want). Think neocities but no file restrictions, you can connect your own domain (or get one via KolymaNET). You can edit your files through FTP as well. I would appreciate if some of you took a look at it, so far i think about 6 people have joined and are currently using our servers.

Here's the link to the aforementioned project: https://freehostingproject.cf



Love the Tomo pictures! Nice color scheme, too.



nice website, sadly it's cloudflared, so, i'm sorry



Why does this matter? The site recieves too much traffic for my Internet Service Provider to handle, it is a necessity.



>Discriminates tor users
>Sniffs all the SSL traffic (It's a MITM)