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Old Web 2020-07-15 23:45:16 No.29661>>29762>>30195>>31787

>>29660 (OP)
Here is my site and a banner for it:

https://yukinu.com/

Switch 2020-07-16 04:49:53 No.29665>>29677>>30400>>31032

Lain would you be interested in a productivity website? ewe it's like my website is like other mainstream trash, b-b-baka.
Anyways it's still WIP I'm just asking
It's a github page, the goal is to strip the trash out of other garbage those charlatans say and add actual stuff that only the most autistic of anons dared to try, and finally publishing them under MIT license or whatever makes a document free to use.

It uses jekyll, I have couple of drafts. The design of the main page and the components are complete.

now that I think about it idk why I wrote this, just tell me if you're interested.
I've only registered the domain before some weirdo does it. https://thesystematicpolymath.xyz/

kiwami 2020-07-16 14:58:49 No.29670>>29677

here's my humble little website. I'm rennvoating it but you can use this banner!

http://alienozi.c1.biz/
Electronics Mods/Hacking and all things Physics.

Unspecified 2020-07-16 17:17:44 No.29674>>29677

Not mine, but here is a nice website from old net:
http://elm-chan.org/
There are even some links to other sites, but it's all mostly in japanese so it's probably not terribly useful.
http://elm-chan.org/links_e.html

Old Web 2020-07-16 19:47:26 No.29677

>>29665
Sure anon ill add it! Hope the project works out! just need a banner for it.

>>29670
Cool site anon! very retro, feels just like the old web! I like the win95 theme for the about page. I added the banner to my site

>>29674
Thanks anon, i believe ive seen this banner before, looks so familiar. The site wouldnt let me connect unfortunately, but added it purely due to the aesthetic look of the banner. hopefully the site works for others

Splicer 2020-07-16 22:16:17 No.29684>>29693

I suggested something similar in this thread I suggest others here look at: >>>/r/8562
I'm not interested in adding just anyone. I know it can be difficult the first few years, but people are probably going to be reluctant to give attention to a website that hasn't existed very long, and which only has a few pages. Persevering is what lets others know the website owner is serious about its continued existence.

Old Web 2020-07-17 00:03:46 No.29693

>>29684
Thanks for the link and the perspective anon. This webring is intended to be open to anyone and is less about the content of the sites or the amount of traffic they get; it's more about creating a small community of netizens who want to share their little slice of the net with each other. Even if some sites go down in the ring and are never put up again, there will still be a little bit of their history in the banners in the ring.

If you have a site and a banner you'd like to share, let me know and I'll gladly add your banner to my site!

Rick Deckard 2020-07-17 05:57:47 No.29699>>29700>>29745

Bob Arctor 2020-07-17 05:58:42 No.29700

>>29699
Old, satrical gif for 8/fringe/. I forgot to put that in the message body.

Random 2020-07-17 08:14:26 No.29702>>29745>>29768

>>29660 (OP)
Here ^^

Old Web 2020-07-18 06:10:39 No.29745

>>29702
Nice site anon! I added your banner to my ring. Also like the tutorial
>wojak@feels

>>29699
Only looking for rectangle banners anon, but thanks for sharing the gif

Apoc 2020-07-18 14:07:52 No.29757>>29762

>>29660 (OP)
What is your personal website ?

Old Web 2020-07-18 20:10:48 No.29762>>29768>>29776

>>29757
>>29758
my apologies fellow anons, should have posted it in the OP and forgot so posted it in the second post >>29661 (see that post for the banner). Heres the link for my site again:

https://yukinu.com/

And pic related is the ring on my site so far

kiwami 2020-07-18 21:30:04 No.29768>>29783

>>29762
>>29702

Hey, wave! You are on my updated website. This will go inline after a while!

Nanashi No Gombe 2020-07-19 00:49:56 No.29776>>29783

>>29762
This isn't anything webring related but I fuarrrking love the Maplestory CSS and I love you

Old Web 2020-07-19 02:26:29 No.29783

>>29768
Awesome, thanks for adding my banner anon! The redesign is looking good, i like the pixel font.

>>29776
Haha, thanks anon! That CSS project was such a fun project, it really brought me back to the days when forums used to allow you to make avatars with your posts. I used to browse the forums on basil market back in the day, and decided to check out how the site used to look on the web archive, since I haven't been on their in maybe 10 years or so. I loved the design of the site and that mid 2000s Maplestory aesthetic, and sure enough I got inspired to capture some of that magic again and made my CSS project. I think it turned out pretty well, and it was fun constraining myself to just CSS for this project. Really amazing what you can do with just CSS these days!

Zhora 2020-07-20 23:21:12 No.29902>>29914

>>29660 (OP)
Will you link to a hidden service ?

Old Web 2020-07-21 03:53:06 No.29914>>29925

>>29902
Not exactly sure what you mean by a hidden service anon. You mean like a personal site that isn't indexed by search engines or something?

The Oracle 2020-07-21 08:09:12 No.29925>>30031

>>29914
Onion link with non-controversial contents

The Oracle 2020-07-22 17:12:27 No.30021

It's so sad that this is barely even a thing anymore. My latest website doesn't even have a banner or link section...

Will post again when I've come around to adding them

Old Web 2020-07-22 21:38:31 No.30031

>>29925
Oh I see anon. Unfortunately it would be best to keep this web ring just http/s sites. If I ever make an onion ring though ill let you know. If you have a site and banner accessible by the standard browser, let me know and ill add it to my ring

Old Web 2020-07-25 05:29:38 No.30132

Bump! Still looking for new sites to add to the ring and checking this thread every once in a while. Have a good day anons!

Tank 2020-07-25 06:12:19 No.30133>>30134>>30135>>30192>>30299>>30475

Here is my site it's very cool but very useless
I added other lainons sites

Unspecified 2020-07-25 06:12:51 No.30134>>30135>>30297>>33090

>>30133
Annddd I forget to link it good job good job
https://jyushimatsu.web.fc2.com/

kiwami 2020-07-25 10:54:05 No.30135

>>30133
>>30134

I added you too! Man, I miss the fc2 days. I used to make a windows like css based website there. now it's my klan website.

http://alienozi.web.fc2.com/index.html

Dujour 2020-07-25 17:52:29 No.30143>>30144>>30163>>30192>>31573>>33120>>33154

>>29660 (OP)
here's my personal site:

https://tinfoil-hat.net

Emmanuel 2020-07-25 18:13:30 No.30144>>30414>>30481

>>30143

>Gender: Apache Combat Helicopter

WEW LADS WATCH OUT

Crazy Jake 2020-07-25 21:39:55 No.30150>>30192

BloodCat 2020-07-25 21:40:26 No.30151>>30192

Koichiro 2020-07-26 00:08:58 No.30155>>30192>>30475

Site is completely WIP, still new to this all.

Six 2020-07-26 01:41:11 No.30163>>30173

>>30143
do you use gnome?

Meddler 2020-07-26 11:51:25 No.30173>>30258

>>30163
What makes you think that?

Old Web 2020-07-26 22:45:15 No.30192>>30194

Pic related to all of yall, the current banners for my ring on my site.

>>30133
Trippy site anon, cool stuff (tough on the eyes at some points though lol), added it!

>>30143
Interesting articles anon, like the privacy stuff on it and I like the font choice. Added it!

>>30150
>>30151
Thanks anons, I like the banners! I should start adding some banners like these to my site. I like on neocities when you see those small banners that say how the site was made and the software used.

>>30155
No worries that its still WIP anon, keep at it! It's a great feeling once you get your site up and running with all the content you want to add to it. Also like the space background so far, those types of backgrounds were a classic staple of the old web!

Case 2020-07-26 22:54:31 No.30194>>30195

>>30192
>nteresting articles anon, like the privacy stuff on it and I like the font choice. Added it!
Thanks man, but where exactly did you add it? I'd like to see your page, you didn't post it, or did I miss anything?

Old Web 2020-07-26 23:42:15 No.30195

>>30194
Apologies anon, forgot to add it in OP, so its in second post: >>29661. Heres the link again to my personal site, and pic related in the prior post was from my personal site (I have all the links in the ring at the bottom of my site):

https://yukinu.com/

Nguoi La 2020-07-29 00:17:48 No.30258>>30267>>30298

>>30173
```
mat2 -s me.png
[+] Metadata for me.png:
SignificantBits: 8 8 8
Software: gnome-screenshot
```

Rick Deckard 2020-07-29 02:13:30 No.30267>>30288

>>30258
I used boring linuxmint when I took thin picture, but if you go to blog section, you see I switched to openbsd and cwm a while ago

Kiwami 2020-07-29 13:36:30 No.30288>>30290

>>30267
C'mon give my man linuxmint some slack! I use it on my x86 machine. It's peasant stuff but it's easy and I'm not gonna spend 2 days installing Gentoo to that piece of soykaf machine.

Pris 2020-07-29 13:45:20 No.30290

>>30288
boring was not ment bad. in IT boring is good, it means there's no issues and it works. But I wanted an adventure and out of my comfort zone to discover and learn something new, I was missing the fun with computing, that gave it me back.

cutewaifu.com 2020-07-29 15:19:59 No.30296>>30356>>30368>>30475

>>29660 (OP)
Here's my in progress website (basically nothing there right now) but I'm working on it as we speak!
www.cutewaifu.com

Miho Iwakura 2020-07-29 16:03:47 No.30297

>>30134
The deprecated tags are killing me, was this deliberate or is it really that old?

Roger Pollack 2020-07-29 16:35:00 No.30298

>>30258
MATE Screenshot also does this soykaf, and I bet there's no way to turn it off.
For fuarrrk's sake, nobody cares if you take screenshots with Lightshot, Snipping Tool, or GNOME, so why the fuarrrk do you have to shoehorn metadata into your software?

Switch 2020-07-29 16:37:50 No.30299>>30368

>>30133
Please add an epilepsy warning to your site, someone could get hurt with the flashing lights.

!Tp9.GentOo 2020-07-30 06:55:46 No.30339>>30368>>30475

>>29660 (OP)
Here, i prefer 88x31 though. quote this post with 88x31 you want to see in qorg11.net. I also think i'll add banners.html to add those 240x60

Donna Hawthorne 2020-07-30 21:54:34 No.30356>>30359

>>30296
>(basically nothing there right now)
i just checked it out and... you're not wrong

cutewaifu.com 2020-07-30 22:18:02 No.30359>>30368

>>30356
lmao I never lie! Hope he's still adding sites

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-07-31 01:54:27 No.30368>>31859

Pic related, the current webring on my site

>>30296
>>30359
I'm still here anon, adding some banners and checking on the thread every once in awhile. Also, great banner anon! Looking forward to seeing the site fully finished! Haven't seen the anime this character is from before (seen the character a lot though), how is this anime?

>>30339
Nice site anon! And nice taste in music and tube channels! Also like the banners at the bottom. The 88x31 banners are nice, but I figured I would go with a larger banner size to compensate for the higher res screen sizes these days, and with the larger banners it gives me an option to scale them down if need be (aspect ratio will be a bit different though so there will be some skewing).

>>30299
Seconding this anon. Always good to play it safe!

Meddler 2020-07-31 11:59:23 No.30400

>>29665
Eeewww, there's Cloudflare.

Guthrie 2020-07-31 16:01:55 No.30414>>30417

>>30144
>WEW LADS WATCH OUT
you know it's just a mere statement... It's a response to made up soykaf, so I chose to made up my own soykaf, also you can't argue with the mere fact, that Apache Combat Helicopters are quite awesome

Agent Jones 2020-07-31 16:26:13 No.30417>>32142

>>30414
> It's a response to made up soykaf, so I chose to made up my own soykaf
It's a stale overused meme, you didn't make it up.
Or if you did make it up, congratulations on creating a meme that ended up becoming stale and overused.

kiwami 2020-08-02 00:15:52 No.30475>>30751

>>30339
>>30296
>>30155
>>30133

Added y'all. pic related.

Gyula Kovacs 2020-08-02 00:37:11 No.30481

>>30144
It's not cool to be a choppaphobe

Webring stuff ESP3NLAUB 2020-08-04 13:53:21 No.30614>>30618>>30619>>30751

I really like the idea! Gonna add the other ones over the next few days o7

Here is mine:
https://fenixfogelfuchs.xyz/

Jean Dupont 2020-08-04 15:01:27 No.30618

>>30614
please make your website usable so i can add it

Kiwami 2020-08-04 15:33:08 No.30619

>>30614
Ach hallo mein Deutschsprachigen Brüder. Ich mag deine Webseite. Ich addiere deine Banner gleich sofort!!!

Hououin Kyouma 2020-08-06 10:28:22 No.30676>>30682>>30751>>30773

This is a pretty cool idea Lainon. I hope I didn't wait too long to join the party.
Here's my dumb site: https://xerophyte.neocities.org/
Lainchan was actually the site that got me serious about web development.

John Rain 2020-08-06 14:30:09 No.30682>>30787

i'm jealous, seeing all this sites makes me wish I was good at design.

>>30676
nice site,

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-08 02:21:35 No.30751>>30773>>30787

Gif related, added more sites to the lainring on my site

>>30475
Thanks for adding all the sites anon! The lainring is starting to grow!

>>30614
Great site anon! I unironically use bliss as my wallpaper on my pc, good taste!

>>30676
You're not too late anon! Very cool site! I've seen a ton of cool stuff on neocities. I kind of get a PSO vibe from your site (due to the font and colors), so very comfy! Also, like the A-Frame page, have one of those on my site as well. Amazing that WebVR is possible these days!

kiwami 2020-08-08 21:43:46 No.30773>>30778>>30787

>>30676
Very cool website but my poor r60 can't handle it! Also, I added you!
>>29660 (OP) (OP)
>>30751
Can you e-mail me at kiwami420[a but cool]protonmail.com I got a question

Joey 2020-08-08 22:59:40 No.30774>>30778

How do you create/design the banners? I've tried it before, but never come up with anything interesting or over-edited.

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-09 00:51:26 No.30778

>>30774
Just take the most salient features of your site and use that to design your banner anon. For example, my site has snow in it, so I have that in my banner. GIMP has some basic tools for image editing, and you can edit gifs in it too, so that's a good way to get started with making banners!

>>30773
Sure thing anon, I sent you an email. My email starts with the letter "m", is a protonmail email, and starts with text "Hello fellow Lainanon!"

Agent Richard Gill 2020-08-09 04:24:03 No.30783>>30793

I brought back my neocities site. Working on getting it back up. https://aylas.neocities.org/

Random 2020-08-09 08:07:36 No.30787

>>30682
Thanks, you should give it a try.
>>30751
Nice, I'm glad I made it in. Now I need to find a spot for banner links on my site.
I'm not super familiar with the phantasy star series but, I can totally see the similarity. Also, A-frame is such a good library but, I wish it had more dynamic movement controls and built in collision boxes.
>>30773
Admittedly I do need too work on optimization.

Kiwami 2020-08-09 11:09:53 No.30793

>>30783
Ayla huh, are by chance, Turkish? Also nice artwork.

Roger Pollack 2020-08-09 16:03:50 No.30799>>30832>>31352>>33288

>>29660 (OP)
Coarse Enigma
http://cgjzkysxa4ru5rhrtr6rafckhexbisbtxwg2fg743cjumioysmirhdad.onion

I finally did it. I pulled the trigger and published a few of my writings.

You guys are all linked. Shit is pretty unedited

Here is a banner http://cgjzkysxa4ru5rhrtr6rafckhexbisbtxwg2fg743cjumioysmirhdad.onion/assets/img/banner.png

XERXES 2020-08-09 18:02:10 No.30806>>30826

Did you guys use a specific tool for the banners? I made a site a while back, but don't have a banner to share with it.

John Rain 2020-08-10 13:40:46 No.30826

>>30806
I just used gimp

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-08-10 13:55:51 No.30827>>30829>>30832

Added you all: https://qorg11.net/webring.html

Chan Siu Ming 2020-08-10 15:47:05 No.30829>>30830

>>30827
What's that tree-tab extention?

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-08-10 15:50:49 No.30830

>>30829
sidebery. with the following thing in userChrome.css

#sidebar-box #sidebar-header {
  display: none !important;
} 

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-08-10 19:50:49 No.30832

>>30827
>>30799
Added you too. Nice website, do you have a clearnet site?

Ender 2020-08-12 17:45:34 No.30964>>30967>>30973>>30979>>31010>>31546

Managed to put a banner together. It's a simple old page I made a year ago, not optimized for mobile because they refuse to auto play music links. Gonna add a section for your banners soon.
https://nightt.neocities.org/

Jean Dupont 2020-08-12 22:29:32 No.30967>>30973>>30981

>>30964
>not optimized for mobile because they refuse to auto play music links
It's considered polite to not ambush a visitor with autoplaying audio.

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-13 01:42:24 No.30973>>30974

>>30964
Great site anon! All the art on it is great, very fond of that pixel/tech/anime/retro style. It's a very hard style to describe, but always found it very appealing! Also, sadly I got yelled at by lain on your site (couldn't resist the shortcut for finding the secrets). Added!

>>30967
Personal websites aren't about having the smoothest possible experience anon, they are about giving the common person a creative outlet to express themselves. Some anons find sites with unique experiences quite enjoyable, since you never know what you'll get, its fun!

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-13 01:44:04 No.30974>>30982

>>30973
Also pic related is my current ring. Thanks for all the contributions fellow anons, this has been very fun!

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-08-13 04:41:20 No.30979

>>30964
I'll add it to my webring tomorrow probably, good website, love it

William Holtzer 2020-08-13 07:13:07 No.30981

>>30967
Didn't think of that. I might add a silent landing page then.

Naomi Nascimento 2020-08-13 07:19:57 No.30982

>>30974
Very cool, starts to get filled with life.

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-08-13 20:00:35 No.30993>>31007>>31166>>31546

Hello everyone
I've modified my banner (pic related), please update it in your webrings!
I'll always keep the most recent version of the banner in https://qorg11.net/img/bigqorg.png so use that as src="" if you want.

J.C. Denton 2020-08-13 22:31:33 No.31007>>31039

>>30993
Got my webring finished and used the updated banner right away, it looks cooler now!

Mentat 2020-08-13 23:30:10 No.31010>>31011>>31166

>>30964
Added a silent landing page, added everyone to a webring

Demeere 2020-08-14 00:02:21 No.31011

>>31010
huh?

Faye Valentine 2020-08-14 11:58:58 No.31032>>31166

>>29660 (OP)
>>29665
Finally added some other Blogs to my page, enjoy

Nobody special 2020-08-14 18:38:24 No.31039

>>31007
anon, which one's your website? lol

Volta 2020-08-15 02:13:40 No.31070>>31075>>31166>>31546

Great idea OP, I'll also add some fellow Lains to my site, which is https://volta.neocities.org/

Joey 2020-08-15 04:00:46 No.31075>>31104>>31105>>31166

>>31070
nice website, would be better if it worked without JS, anyways added you to qorg11.net/webring.html

Volta 2020-08-15 18:42:11 No.31104>>31108

>>31075
I'm glad you like my site and yeah the though of 'maybe I should find a non-JS way to do this' has been in my head ever since I showed someone my old site and it didn't work properly because they didn't have javascript enabled.

I don't suppose you could tell me a way to make the windows pop-up in the same way and the same size with just HTML?

Volta 2020-08-15 18:43:11 No.31105

>>31075
Thanks for adding me to your webring :)
I've added you to mine at volta.neocities.org/banners.html

The Fin 2020-08-15 20:04:07 No.31108

>>31104
i suppose you cannot do that, but i think it would be a nice fallback to use <noscript> to open a new tab i guess

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-17 02:40:09 No.31166>>31168>>31209

Pic related, the current webring on my site

>>30993
Like the new banner anon, has more personality to it! I updated it on my ring with it

>>31010
Thanks for adding everyone to the ring anon, looks good!

>>31032
Well done anon! Glad to see your page getting developed!

>>31070
Very cool site anon, love the style! One thing though some of the banners on the banner page are the thumbnails on this page and not the actual banners (for example mine and xerophyte are animated gifs).

Also as per this anons post >>31075, you can achieve a non-js functionality here somewhat with a little CSS and JS. Essentially you could do the following:

1) Remove the onclick events and move the URLs back to href attribute
2) Place a script at the bottom of the body that will find all of these links, take their href attributes and re-add the click event, something like this:

```
Array.from(document.querySelector("div.content").querySelectorAll("a")).forEach(ele => {
let href = ele.getAttribute("href");
ele.removeAttribute("href");
ele.addEventListener("click", (event) => {
window.open(`${href}', 'Art', 'resizable, height=800 width=1200`);
});
});
```

The idea is that if JS is not enabled the links will remain as standard links, but if JS is enabled upon page load they will be converted to links that will open windows like they currently do (by removing the href attributes and adding in click events).

3) Use flexbox and media queries to center the content within a box that has 1200 width and 800 height. The media query would work window size. The idea is when the window size is say 1250px or lower youll use your current CSS for the page, but if its higher than that youll switch to centering the content within the 1200x800 box limit you set. For users who followed the link without JS on the prior page they will open a tab that is size roughly 1920x1080, the media query will kick in, and set the content to a box of 1200x800, but if the link was clicked via JS then a window of 1200x800 will open and the lower media query will kick in to give the page your current behavior. As far as I know without JS you cant open and resize a window, so the current behavior cant be perfectly emulated in the no script scenario, but it will still work pretty well for the non JS people. Hope this helps anon, great site!

Ivan Petrov 2020-08-17 02:51:45 No.31168>>31173

>>31166
This is a great project, thank you all for adding our websites to your websites :>

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-17 03:22:33 No.31173

>>31168
It's my pleasure anon :)! Glad to see everyone is enjoying it, and I hope it motivates some other lainons to create their own little spot on the web too!

I have a bit of nostalgia for the old ways, and miss when the web was small. It was a bit difficult to navigate, a little tough on the eyes at times, and not always the easiest to use, but it had a lot of charm to it. Small projects like these where I get a chance to go back to the old ways of doing things recaptures some of that magic for me :)

Volta 2020-08-17 18:36:07 No.31209>>31322

>>31166
Thanks for the solution to the JS problem :)

As for the banners, I did notice that they weren't animated and I've honestly been putting off fixing them, I guess it would be rude not to do it now :')

I'm really glad you like my site, yours is great too!

Undisclosed 2020-08-20 00:18:37 No.31291>>31295>>31296>>31317>>31322>>31519>>31546

Here is my site and banner.
https://jakesthoughts.xyz

I really like a lot of the websites that I have visited, they're very nice and really cozy.

Armitage 2020-08-20 03:14:02 No.31295>>31319

>>31291
the ui and xyz reminds me of luke smit

Anamika 2020-08-20 03:28:41 No.31296>>31319

>>31291
I really like your website, lainon. HTML+CSS is quite pleasant and the banners are pretty funny.

Incognito 2020-08-20 04:09:09 No.31298>>31322>>31324>>31421>>31546

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-08-20 22:32:31 No.31317>>31319>>31322

>>31291
added you to qorg11.net/webring.html

Roy Batty 2020-08-21 02:58:06 No.31319>>31320>>31425

>>31295
I may have 'borrowed' some of his html/css code, at one point, but I made it my own. I vaguely recall going for xyz as opposed to something else due to money reasons.

>>31296
the banners were my favorite part to make, I probably had the most fun making those.

>>31317
thank you, your site is probably my favorite so far

I want to preemptively thank anyone else who adds me later ❤️

Unknown 2020-08-21 03:16:34 No.31320

>>31319
it may have been borrowed but i still like it man. U have inspired me

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-21 03:39:58 No.31322>>31324

Pic related, the current ring on my site

>>31209
No worries anon! I accidentally downloaded some of the thumbnails a couple times. It's difficult to see the difference on lainchan since the size of the thumbnail and image are close.

>>31291
Comfy site anon, I like it! The banners at the top are a nice touch, and I liked reading your blogs. It reminds me that I need to add more blog posts to my site! Also, reminds me to add RSS at some point. Added to the ring!

>>31298
Nice site anon, it's cool that you created an image board, and I hope the archiving project goes well! Added!

>>31317
Thanks for keeping the ring up to date on your site anon! Glad to see some typical lainons are checking the thread every once in a while and having fun with it!

qorg11 2020-08-21 05:12:36 No.31324

(Not bothering with tripcode anymore)
>>31298
Added you to my webring
>>31322
heh, yes, i love this project, reminds me to better times i probably didn't live ;)

H.R. Giger 2020-08-22 08:21:13 No.31352>>31403

>>30799
I added your onion site to my webring, maybe you should use the .onion address instead of clearnet site http://qorgrs764aa3cmw5zc7shtzpyjhrt2hof5qsnueukmrtgh44kjtl2ayd.onion/

Boris Grishenko 2020-08-22 20:35:44 No.31403

>>31352
Fixed. Your linked with the hidden service and updated banner.
>>all
I added your guys banners and some new blogs.

H.R. Giger 2020-08-22 22:05:43 No.31421>>31438

>>31298
I really like your website. Its professional looking and very 90s. but it seems that most of your project is non-existent. Apparently, 9channel is dead. You aren't accepting registration for hosting, and your blog has a single test entry. You have several references to over a decade of service. Did this all recently get put backup after a take-down of some kind? Anyway, it all looks amazing.
Have you considered offering your hosted clients a complementary hidden service with each site? This would make Hidden Services more interesting and niche.

Mitnick 2020-08-22 22:46:52 No.31424>>31430>>31431>>33299

>>29660 (OP)
Here is something that might be generally useful to all webmasters and self hosters here. A kind of cyberpunk, or at least punk, take on web hosting.
>https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2018/09/how-to-build-a-lowtech-website/
>we decided to build a low-tech, self-hosted, and solar-powered version of Low-tech Magazine.
>Static Site
>Dithered Images
>No Tracking
>Self Hosted
>Non-Intel Processor
<Based, Top Schway
>https://homebrewserver.club/low-tech-website-howto.html
<Article on the Construction of the Low Tech Website
>Olimex Olinuxino A20 Lime 2
>50 W Solar Panel
>Car Battery
Reminds me a lot of "How I quit Alternating Current"
>http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1331

Leto Atreides I 2020-08-22 22:54:40 No.31425

>>31319
>thank you, your site is probably my favorite so far
thanks lainon <3 i put a lot of effort on it, i'm glad someone likes it!

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-22 23:51:18 No.31430

>>31424
Great links anon, bookmarked all of these! I like the idea of creating lower tech sites, the dithered images especially have an aesthetic quality to them. Also very cool seeing how they were able to self host, would love to be able to self host off a solar panel some day for my site

Cowboy 2020-08-23 00:19:39 No.31431>>31444>>33299

>>31424
>Reminds me a lot of "How I quit Alternating Current"
>http://robrhinehart.com/?p=1331
his values are way off. Claims 20% conversion loss where you can easily go as low as 4% or just hit 10% with low effort. Also "founder of soylent" explains why the article is 50% just an add for it.

The Oracle 2020-08-23 04:39:43 No.31438>>31443

>>31421
> I really like your website. Its professional looking and very 90s.
thanks~!

>but it seems that most of your project is non-existent. Apparently, 9channel is dead.
yes, it has been since 2017. the project is not non existent, its just massive and its taking alot of work to get everything back up again.

>You aren't accepting registration for hosting,
i was, but it got filled up immediatley. so im waiting on some new servers to get here before i open it up again.

>You have several references to over a decade of service. Did this all recently get put backup after a take-down of some kind?
It has been down for several years, meaning most if not all of the site had fallen into utter disrepair. I only decided i would take care of it again a month or so ago, so its a major WIP. 2005 was its initial date of creation, but i sort of left it off around 2017.

>Have you considered offering your hosted clients a complementary hidden service with each site? This would make Hidden Services more interesting and niche.
What do you mean by "hidden service" in this context?

Lain Iwakura 2020-08-23 08:49:24 No.31443

>>31438
>What do you mean by "hidden service" in this context?
Making client websites available over Tor as Tor Hidden services. If you had a bunch of niche web sites, creating Tor services out of them would liven up Tor a little.

Yuki Nagato 2020-08-23 08:53:55 No.31444>>31448

>>31431
>his values are way off. Claims 20% conversion loss where you can easily go as low as 4% or just hit 10% with low effort. Also "founder of soylent" explains why the article is 50% just an add for it.
This article was actually criticized a lot when it came out for all kinds of things including memorably his assumption that not washing clothes, but buying new ones was better. Your assumption that buying more efficient equipment is better isn't actually true either due to energy required to produce a more complex and efficient device for some usages, and theoretical possibility isn't the same as what the masses use anyway.
Anyway, the article is likely wrong for all kinds of reasons about ecological footprint, but is still a fascinating read about what alternates exist to using the grid.

Tyrell Wellick 2020-08-23 09:56:23 No.31448>>31452

>>31444
The masses dont even know efficiency is a thing. The premise is however "i want to switch cause dc only is better" which begs the comparison to how about improving your efficiency? For that matter psu's above 90% are priced ~10€ higher than 80%. Saving 10% in energy over a decade will more than beat 10€ initial investment. If you build converters yourself you can get the parts even under 4€. Low efficiency is just the typical case of saving pennies to make a million in volume on the oblivious consumers back.

Lady 3Jane.. 2020-08-23 10:19:28 No.31452>>31459

>>31448
>The masses dont even know efficiency is a thing. The premise is however "i want to switch cause dc only is better"
The premise is not about "better". The premise is about removing the grid to escape dependency on society, and societies average inefficiencies - not a technical debate about is DC better than AC. Obviously, this is an extreme thing to do. I feel like this argument is derailing the thread. I posted the links because Solar Paneled/ DIY Self Hosted Computing is schway and possibly of interest to webmasters. This is maybe my next step.

Random 2020-08-23 13:14:53 No.31459

>>31452
Was arguing for same reason - Everyone interested in running a small one will consider battery vs grid at least. The better i was talking about is your personal cost to keep it running.

Also one thing the other link didn't mention is client-side caching. You can have high quality images that are loaded only once and saved forever client-side. So while the initial cost is high the longterm cost is near zero if your site is for a stable userbase and not targeting a constant stream of newcomers like say a guide site. Its also possible to offload other parts of the site like that.

The opposite direction is use svg to render basic shapes and create a fancy layout without using any images. Take for example buttons, you can do fancy button in less than 1kb. Cant beat that with images.

Case 2020-08-23 14:41:40 No.31465>>31467>>31474>>31489>>31497>>31546

I'm an artist

https://www.davidgebski.nl/
It's also available as a hidden service

H.R. Giger 2020-08-23 14:56:25 No.31467>>31487

>>31465
cool art!

Miho Iwakura 2020-08-23 15:53:16 No.31471>>31476>>31497>>31546

I made this small one (88x31) for my website today. I tried to make a 240x60 version, but it didn't seem as good. I may try that again later.

My website, for those who are interested: https://getimiskon.neocities.org

Vasya Pupkin 2020-08-23 16:44:26 No.31474>>31487

>>31465
How are you even on lainchan? Your website is advertisement for knock off GUCCI hilarious called "Gooch". Your other projects are equally distasteful. You have non-sequiters like the black box costs 12 X the production *of the box* because a box has twelve *edges*. Is that designed to sound like fair justification to idiots? Is that the hyperironic point? Literally not /cyb/.

Haruyoshi 2020-08-23 16:48:36 No.31476

>>31471
Best Website by far. Its beautifully themed and unique. The lain backgrounds are schway..

AI lover 2020-08-23 23:11:12 No.31487

>>31467
Thanks!
>>31474
Please send your submission for Essential Modernities through the right channels.

Unspecified 2020-08-24 00:22:04 No.31489>>31499>>31516

>>31465
lol but why have instagram in the first place

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-24 03:25:56 No.31497>>31511

Pic related, the current ring. Made a separate section on my site for the LainRing, and also added an RSS, ATOM, and JSON feed for my projects. The feeds were pretty fun to implement, always liked RSS feeds back in the day. It's a shame they went out of style in the modern web!

>>31465
Interesting site anon, good luck with the art projects! Added to the ring

>>31471
Very comfy site anon, love the pixel art background! Used to have a collection of cyberpunk pixel art, but have no idea where it went. If you end up making a 240x60 banner, I'll update my ring with it

Unspecified 2020-08-24 03:35:22 No.31499

>>31489
Because without normal person social media sites its a pain in the ass for artists to spread their works, it's a necessary evil.
If only Pixelfed was a bit more popular.

Molly Millions 2020-08-24 10:36:29 No.31506

>>29660 (OP)
What is the Small Web
>https://ar.al/2020/08/07/what-is-the-small-web/
<To understand what the Small Web is, let’s compare it to the Big Web. In other words, to the centralised Web we have today.
<The Small Web, quite simply, is the polar opposite of the Big Web. It applies the Small Technology principles to the web.
<The master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.

Lady 3Jane.. 2020-08-24 12:34:35 No.31511>>31539>>31786

>>31497
Just finished the 240x60 banner. I will add the webring links in my website later today.

Lady Jessica 2020-08-24 14:15:27 No.31516

>>31489
That's a clever but pragmatic little piece of activism. I like it! Also nicely satirical of those stupid "oh no! you clicked a link out of our walled garden! are you sure you can handle yourself in the big bad internet?" screens you see on certain sites.

Junichi Fujiwara 2020-08-24 14:32:40 No.31519

>>31291
I am not down to follow the secret mission

Unnamed 2020-08-24 23:16:10 No.31535>>31537>>31539>>32856

I don't have any website to contribute to the webring because mainly I don't know what in my life could be interesting enough to put on there but just wanted to pop in and say this is a very comfy thread!

Lain Iwakura 2020-08-25 00:44:12 No.31537>>31539

>>31535
i hope theres a place in hell for comfyposters

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-25 01:37:28 No.31539

>>31511
The banner looks great anon! Will add the new one to the lainring on my site

>>31535
Glad you like the thread anon and find it comfy :)! I hope you end up making a site at some point anon. It's less about having interesting content and more about making and having a place on the web you can call your own.

>>31537
Sorry lainon, better get comfy since this is a comfy thread!

The Fin 2020-08-25 05:57:23 No.31544>>31545>>31617>>31786

how does one going about hosting a simple site like these on a local machine or free hosting? thx i want to contribute too.

Dox 2020-08-25 05:59:29 No.31545>>31617

>>31544
1. Get a domain in duckdns.org
2. Point the *.duckdns.org to your IP
3.Install nginx in a local machine
4. port forward
there you go

kiwami 2020-08-25 06:25:12 No.31546>>31547>>31551>>31617

>>30964
>>30993
>>31070
>>31291
>>31298
>>31465
>>31471

Added y'all. I have a suggestion to all! Why don't we have a mailing list so we can update each other in case of webring banner updates or hosting/url changes? Just a thought.

qorg11 2020-08-25 06:28:47 No.31547>>31617

>>31546
>Why don't we have a mailing list so we can update each other in case of webring banner updates or hosting/url changes? Just a thought.
Sounds good to me, who will host it though

The Plague 2020-08-25 08:08:03 No.31551>>31552>>31617

>>31546
Why not use RSS ? Then anyone can subscribe in a decentralized way.

Ender 2020-08-25 08:12:56 No.31552>>31553

>>31551
how do we communicate then

Chan Siu Ming 2020-08-25 08:48:55 No.31553>>31570>>31617

>>31552
RSS is a great way to update people on site. This thread is a great way to comment on sites for now. Perhaps email is a good solution to the problem of how do lainchan webmasters communicate.
Maybe an official lainchan Webmaster thread , like this, or mailing list could exist. An interesting thing about image boards is their transiency. I would prefer threads to protect privacy.

kiwmi 2020-08-25 17:13:58 No.31570>>31574>>31575

>>31553
That's OK that you want to protect privacy. Only if we could automate the thread creation. It's against the rules though...

Roy Batty 2020-08-25 17:35:10 No.31573

>>30143
Snake?! SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!

Spooky 2020-08-25 17:44:05 No.31574>>31612>>31617

>>31570
I have literally 0 problems on creating a new thread when this reach the bumps limit

Trinity 2020-08-25 18:29:43 No.31575>>31612>>31617

>>31570
I actually think automation is to high tech for this problem. If we want to communicate about webring or webmaster stuff a thread should be easy enough to create once every 300 posts.
I like how much activity has occured around this topic so far, and I would like to see this sustained.

Gyula Kovacs 2020-08-26 01:31:37 No.31612>>31617

>>31574
>>31575
noo this threads gonna die ;_;

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-26 03:33:50 No.31617>>31682>>32098

>>31544
Neocities offers free 1GB hosting of static sites. That's a good way to get started at no cost, and a lot of anons have personal blog-type sites on there. If you want to make a website with a server-side backend you'll likely need some type of VPS hosting, or do what this >>31545 anon said to self host

>>31546
>>31547
>>31551
>>31553
I like the idea of giving each other updates through RSS and through the thread. I've added RSS feeds from sites within the LainRing to my RSS reader. The LainRing is just a little fun project, anons can come and go from the thread and the ring as they please, and there is no pressure to keep the rings on everyone's sites up to date. I just want this to be a light and fun project for everyone!

>>31574
>>31575
>>31612
Don't worry anons, I'm planning on keeping the thread going as long as there are lainons interested in it! I made this thread over a month ago and have had a lot of fun with it. It was great seeing everyone's sites and talking to fellow lainons, and I'm glad everyone has been enjoying the thread too. I hope keeping the thread going will inspire some lainons to create their own sites in the future.

Ishikura "Tatsu" Tatsuhiko 2020-08-26 08:23:47 No.31632

I think using this thread as our means of communication is the most logical way. Of course everyone is free to include a RSS feed on their website or some other way to keep their visitors updated. If we won't be able to create a new thread after 300 posts then we'll also not be able to send emails back and forth.

BloodCat 2020-08-26 20:35:17 No.31658>>31667>>31676>>31736>>31744>>31778>>31786

>>29660 (OP)
Hey Lainons, still working on this site, but I'd love to join in on this.
https://crystaldata.neocities.org

Elliot Alderson 2020-08-26 23:09:22 No.31667>>31669

>>31658
I really like the theming alice.

The Fin 2020-08-27 01:50:00 No.31669>>31744

>>31667
Thanks Elliot. I'm quite new to the world of programming, so I thought I'd pick a simplistic theme. I'm glad it's working well.

Trinity 2020-08-27 12:56:48 No.31676>>31686

>>31658
>That cat gif
Lol thanks

The Phantom Phreak 2020-08-27 14:33:51 No.31682>>31744

>>31617
Well, for privacy respecting mailing lists, we can use riseup maybe?

Trinity 2020-08-27 16:00:36 No.31686>>31744

>>31676
I'm going to be as happy as that cat one day :D

Batou 2020-08-29 11:13:53 No.31720

I think that if we should also use hidden services in the webring (if you can have a .onion (or i2p) mirror of your website, do it)

John Rain 2020-08-29 18:03:53 No.31736>>31778

>>31658
Added your website in my links. I also made a smaller variant of your banner (240x60 pixels).

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-29 23:03:18 No.31744

Pic related, the current ring

>>31658
Cool site anon, I like the style! Great images on the site too, very cyberpunk! Added to the ring

>>31669
>I'm quite new to the world of programming
If you have any web dev questions, I can help out a bit. Feel free to post a question here! One tip I can give you is that the <footer> element needs to be in <body> (everything displayed on the page should be in body), and only the <h> tags are numbered (you can use classes instead if you want to number the paragraphs)

>>31686
Don't let your dreams be dreams anon, you'll get there one day!

>>31682
Privacy could be protected with a riseup mailing list, but I prefer the RSS and thread approach since it keeps it a bit more decentralized and user-focused respectively. This way you won't have to make an account or anything to keep up with the ring and the lainons.

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-08-30 11:55:37 No.31778

>>31658
added, you, pic related
>>31736
thanks for the banner

Pris 2020-08-30 19:00:11 No.31786>>32160

>>31658
>>31511
Linked you on Coarse Enigma (http://cgjzkysxa4ru5rhrtr6rafckhexbisbtxwg2fg743cjumioysmirhdad.onion/) and added some new blog posts.
>>31544
Hosting a Hidden Service would make your life easier. No Port forwarding or anything except an always on computer.

I am actually sipping tea connected to my hidden service VPS via Tor , paid in BTC anonymously. If thats not /cyber/ I don't know whats schway is alice. I'd like to see more of you host hidden services. I will have to write a blog post on how for you chummer.

Zhora 2020-08-30 19:11:33 No.31787>>31789

>>29661
>https://yukinu.com/
>Technology Post
>Node JS
>JS Good for Archiving.
I'd actually like to see you change your mind. Javascript and nodejs are generally garbage for a couple of important reasons:
1.) Javascript is horrible for privacy
2.) Javascript is difficult to archive
3.) Javascript is *BIG TECH* / difficult to run and secure.

Javascript is horrible for privacy. It exposes a complex runtime with all kinds of fingerprinting abilities, and turned documents into complex computations that are user unfriendly.

Javascript is difficult to archive. All of the computations and dynamism of javascript are horrible for archiving. You are correct you can't simply wget snapshots, the fetching/wgeting runtime must support and run Javascript to faithfully render the document. This why browser automation engines exist for OSINT. This is also unfortunate because there is no way to resume the state that the archive left off in (off the JS runtime). So the page can never be truly archived.

Javascript is difficult to run and secure. Although JS doesn't have the same kind of memory safety bugs that CGI/C has, you need specialized servers to deliver nodejs apps. Further, JS is so complicated, it has been responsible for a horrific number of client side bugs/ security issues. Javsscript engines are also what make hte modern web so complex that there are basically only two Web Engines (Blink and Gecko) with millions of dollars behind them.

I would like to see documents become declarative and distinct from Web Apps.

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-08-30 23:03:36 No.31789>>31816>>31836

>>31787
Thanks for your perspective lainon! I should clarify a bit how I use JS.

>1.) Javascript is horrible for privacy. It exposes a complex runtime with all kinds of fingerprinting abilities, and turned documents into complex computations that are user unfriendly.
This is correct on the client side, but is incorrect on the server side. If you look at my site, the only time I use JS on the client side is for small effects (such as the snow and the VR page), which don't actually affect the content of the site or the usability. I have JS disabled on my browser by default, and I make sure my site can operate without JS. Even for the VR page which won't render without JS, I now put pictures so that if you are interested in the page you can see the pictures. Lainchan is similar in that JS adds small nice features, but is not necessary since it uses simple POST requests for posting, and that's how I design my site. I refuse to use client-side frameworks, as they require JS to run, but my site is generated all on the server side, not on the client side. I encourage everyone to disable JS on sites by default, as it is important for privacy and security reasons. Also, I will remove the VR page if there is concern since it requires JS to run.

>2.) Javascript is difficult to archive. All of the computations and dynamism of javascript are horrible for archiving. You are correct you can't simply wget snapshots
This is correct, but again only on the client side. This does not apply to my site, since all pages are generated on the server (server side rendered). Web applications with infinite scroll can't be archived by the user using simple tools like wget, and with protections in place can't be archived at all without using highly advanced, custom made web scraping tools. My site does not use any JS on the client side to render the page. I use NodeJS on the server to server side render the page, and statically host the pages. Any pages that are statically hosted and don't require JS on the client-side for the page to function can be mirrored using wget. You can make an offline copy of my site using wget and run the offline copy within your browser with JS disabled and the site will still function fully. This allows sites like archive.org to make archives of my pages, and I go out of my way to make sure all the content is server-side rendered (again with the exception of the VR page since VR requires JS unfortunately).

>3.) Javascript is *BIG TECH*
This is valid criticism. I have concerns with NodeJS deriving from a large company, and made sure it was free software (https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Node.js) before I even considered using it. I vet the external packages I use for NodeJS before downloading them, and if I find even the tiniest bit of information that NodeJS has become bot software and is phoning home then I will dump it immediately.

>Javascript is difficult to run and secure.
There have been concerns that NodeJS has been a bit difficult to secure at times. Part of this is due to semvar as the default for NPM, allowing "patches" to occur in your packages, even if those patches aren't true patches and introduce breaking changes or security vulnerabilities. I instead default to specific version numbers, and only make copies of packages a single time. I then use my offline cache of packages, and manually check for updates periodically and consider patches if they patch actual security vulnerabilities.

In the case of NodeJS's security itself, there are other runtimes in development that add more security features (such as Deno), and I keep my eye on these other runtimes in case NodeJS becomes bot software. In the case NodeJS and the other runtimes all become bot software, I can and will switch to a new language fairly easily.

>you need specialized servers to deliver nodejs apps
This is incorrect, NodeJS runs on your standard Linux instance with an Nginx or Apache web server, which is the same web servers used in PHP, Ruby, Python, etc for their frameworks.

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To summarize, there is a huge difference between server-side rendering and client-side rendering, and you are confusing JS with client-side rendering. JS is a language, not a client-side framework. V8/Gecko are browser runtimes that implement JS. NodeJS is a server runtime that implements JS. Your concerns are primarily with V8/Gecko and client-side framework, not with NodeJS and server-side rendering.

Drano 2020-08-31 15:38:45 No.31816>>31841

>>31789
>To summarize, there is a huge difference between server-side rendering and client-side rendering, and you are confusing JS with client-side rendering. JS is a language, not a client-side framework. V8/Gecko are browser runtimes that implement JS. NodeJS is a server runtime that implements JS. Your concerns are primarily with V8/Gecko and client-side framework, not with NodeJS and server-side rendering.
Wait, wasn't NodeJS just the V8 engine without the rest of chromium?

Jet Black 2020-08-31 23:15:12 No.31836>>31841

>>31789
Well. I just want to say, that you have somewhat sold me. If you are producing nodejs without client side JS, who cares what you write the server side in. I don't think that JS is a particularly attractive language, and I think client side JS should probably die for privacy and complexity reason for documents, I do agree that your argument is persuasive.

I also think you shouldn't take anything down that you have created over an ideological dispute. Making things is far more important than ideology.

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-09-01 02:27:03 No.31841>>31866

>>31816
>Wait, wasn't NodeJS just the V8 engine
That is correct, NodeJS is built off of V8, which is the JS engine used in chromium, which is ultimately used to build chrome. Like I said, my biggest concern with Node is that it is derived from a large company, and this concern relates to the future of NodeJS. While Google can't retroactively make prior versions of Node and JavaScript in general non-free software (as far as I know there are no patent or licensing issues that can allow them to retroactively damage Node), they can have a strong influence on the future of the project, even though they don't run the project itself. I keep an eye on the project for signs that may be turning into non-free software. If that happens, I'll end up either using only an old, free version of Node until I no longer have the option to anymore, forking Node and removing code that makes it non-free software, or if it either of these options don't work well then I'll just end up dropping it altogether.

My only other concern besides this is the package management system, NPM, which runs off a site now owned by github, which is also now owned by Microsoft. Fortunately I make an offline copy of the modules I need and just keep reusing those modules to avoid pinging the NPM servers after the initial download of the modules, so I have a bit less concern on this aspect of Node, but always something to keep aware of.

>>31836
>Well. I just want to say, that you have somewhat sold me.
>I do agree that your argument is persuasive.
Thanks lainon, glad I was able to clear it up a bit! Prior to Angular and React popularizing client-side frameworks about 4-5 years ago, Node devs were using the traditional server side rendering and templating techniques that were used in most other frameworks like Rails, Django, and PHP. Now I would guess that most Node devs are using these client-side frameworks, and I expect it to get worse as things like Svelte and Preact (also Node client-side frameworks) are starting to become more popular, and other projects like Blazor (which uses WASM to use C# in the browser) may in the future make the web a scattered mix of weird languages and frameworks compiled down into difficult to understand and effectively proprietary bytecode and wasm assembly code. At least in the modern day a JS reverse engineer can look into the code of most popular websites and eventually be able to discern what the code is doing, but if C#, Python, Ruby, PHP, Java, and many other languages are shipped to the browser in bytecode form then you'll need about 10x the reverse engineers to understand what is happening and probably 5x as much work per person, a task probably too high to overcome.

But, despite these developments and the future direction of the web, I'm still going to follow the old ways of doing things, even if it is frowned upon by most devs these days. It is important to me that my site remains archiveable for the future.

>I don't think that JS is a particularly attractive language
It has many, many flaws and shortcoming, and is a chaotic mess, but it's still a special language for me. It's hard to explain why, but its probably since it was my first programming language. I can see why people dislike it though, and honestly I would recommend people learn other languages than JS, unless their only interest in programming is on the web and they are interested in nothing else. But for me its a good language.

Unspecified 2020-09-01 07:34:24 No.31859

>>30368
absolutely fantastic

Wintermute 2020-09-01 12:20:21 No.31866>>31867

>>31841
My main frustration with Javascript is that its standard library is effectively non-existant. I can work with the odd syntax (looking C-ish but acting functional-ish) and other oddities, but I really dislike having to either write my own "standard" library or rely on npm&friends. (Left-pad, anyone? https://www.davidhaney.io/npm-left-pad-have-we-forgotten-how-to-program/ )

Personally I've gone down the "Go backend, with just enough Javascript in the front end to send user input to the backend and change the DOM based on returned results" route. I'm pretty comfy there. Even my most complex backends have fewer module dependencies than I can count on one hand. Many have none at all.

Nobody special 2020-09-01 12:58:52 No.31867>>31868

Roger Pollack 2020-09-01 13:10:06 No.31868>>31870

>>31867
jQuery is too big for most uses. Use a minified micro-framework instead.

Agent Jones 2020-09-01 13:54:35 No.31870

>>31868
and the best of all: don't use JS

Wintermute 2020-09-02 03:54:06 No.31900>>31907>>32123

which do you guys think looks better?

https://archive.is/F8O3k (futaba pallet)
https://kolyma.jp/ (kemoren pallet)

Lady Jessica 2020-09-02 10:46:59 No.31907

>>31900
Yotsuba B>Yotsuba>Yotsuba Green, if you ask me

Anamika 2020-09-02 16:34:12 No.31918>>31966>>32123

So this thread inspired me to start a neocities site, bit I'm having trouble. When I try to create an account, after filling out all the fields and *sigh* training the captcha's AI, when I click on 'create my site' the website just reloads without creating the account. Tried with different emails, different browsers and disabling addons with no luck. It gives me no error messages either. Any ideas?

Jean Dupont 2020-09-03 09:32:10 No.31966

>>31918
Did you confirm the account wasn't created by trying to login, even if the confirmation page for account creation doesn't show?
Some sites are weird like that. Data entered goes into a black hole and it doesn't respond, but when tested it did record the data.

Tank 2020-09-03 12:36:57 No.31972>>31991

>>318>>31866
If you go down the route of using JQuery, why not just use ECMAScript anyways? It can do the same things and it's not like JQuery bypasses the odd functionality inherent of javascript anyhow.

Yamaoto Toshi 2020-09-03 18:54:28 No.31991

>>31972
>If you go down the route of using JQuery, why not just use ECMAScript anyways? It can do the same things and it's not like JQuery bypasses the odd functionality inherent of javascript anyhow.
A long, long time ago, it couldn't. JQuery was developed with the specific goal of providing functionality that javascript/ecmascript completely lacked, and doing so in a way that allowed website developers to not have to target specific browsers.

Now of course JQuery is superfluous. There's little (if anything) that stock javascript can't do, and it's rarely necessary to worry about targeting a multitude of browsers because basically everything is either Gecko or Chromium under the hood.

Pris 2020-09-03 19:08:10 No.31993

Can neocities create a robots.txt file yet? Or is it still so soykaf that they can't even handle .txt files in your folders?

New url qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-09-04 23:26:28 No.32049>>32058>>32063>>32123

Well dudes, i had to change the webring url because i now use xhtml instead of html so people using netscape navigator can visit my website
https://qorg11.net/webring.xhtml

Random 2020-09-05 01:07:57 No.32058

>>32049
>https://qorg11.net/funnyhtmls/stallmanlain.en.html
kek

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-09-05 03:14:11 No.32063>>32123

>>32049
also, /webring.html still exists, but i wont update it, check the xhtml

i use xhtml instead of html5 because html5 is not standardized by the w3c, but by big corpos.
https://whatwg.org/
if you hate big corpos, change to xhtml!

Motoko Kusanagi 2020-09-05 11:34:54 No.32073>>32075>>32082>>32085>>32109>>32123>>32160>>32198

>>29660 (OP)
Here's mine :
saladslab.karabo.ga
I dont update it much but it has a bunch of my projects, as well as my friends websites

Unknown 2020-09-05 11:45:29 No.32075>>32181

>>32073
Nice site lain. I will link you on my next update.

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-09-05 12:29:39 No.32082>>32181

>>32073
>werc
nice

Switch 2020-09-05 14:17:42 No.32085>>32181

>>32073
love the cat-v/suckless style. I'm creating my own site with that style as well.

Project 2501 2020-09-05 14:55:13 No.32086>>32123

>tfw my personal page only has my name and email
fuarrrk, this thread makes me want to put more interesting things on my website. Something that'd actually be fun to browse. Hope the thread stays alive til' I'm done.

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-09-05 17:19:56 No.32098

>>31617
Is a XMPP MUC ok?

kiwami 2020-09-05 21:57:08 No.32109>>32181

>>32073
added ya pal. also fuarrrk you for saying fuarrrk you in your projects :P

The Fin 2020-09-06 00:40:01 No.32115>>32123>>32140

>>29660 (OP)
Lainchan webmasters heard about .cyb domains from Opennic or decentralized crypto domains like .bit ?

Perhaps it would be interesting to have .cyb domains for our sites.

Also, anyone got a book on Jekyll ?

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-09-06 05:24:27 No.32123

Pic related, the current ring on my site

>>32073
Great site anon! I like the colors, and nice banner. Didn't see a single salad on the site though. Added to the ring

>>31918
I hope you can get your site up an running lainon! It's a great feeling having a spot on the web that you created yourself and can call your own.

>>31900
I've always been a fan of the classic futaba pallet.

>>32049
>>32063
I should look into xhtml. Fortunately most browsers either ignore or convert unknown tags to block level tags, so the html5 semantic tags like <main>, <article>, and <section> you can still use. Other html5 tags though are more dubious.

>>32086
Keep adding stuff lainon, you can do it! If you make an RSS feed for your site at some point, I'll add it to my reader. It's been fun reading the RSS feeds and articles on the other anons sites in the ring.

>>32115
Haven't heard of those domains before, and looked into them. These are very cool concepts, I might try to mirror my site using one of both of these approaches, as I like the idea of alternative domains outside of ICANN. Thanks for sharing these projects!

kiwami 2020-09-06 14:56:14 No.32139>>32140>>33285>>33295

Moving background made my web super hot imo. 10/10 Would recommend. (http://alienozi.c1.biz) Also, I want to switch to a better domain. How do I go about doing this? I want to purchase it for life (impossible?) or pay cheap for it.

Emmanuel 2020-09-06 15:03:03 No.32140

>>32139
you can get a free for life domain in opennic >>32115

Lady 3Jane.. 2020-09-06 15:41:58 No.32142

>>30417
just say you think it is transphobic and bigoted
also, don't be so mad about a joke

getimiskon 2020-09-06 23:09:40 No.32160>>32168>>32181

>>31786
Added in my website. Also, the site seems to be down at the time I uploaded it. If the link is changed, let me know.
>>32073
Added as well.

Wintermute 2020-09-07 00:46:04 No.32168>>32198

>>32160
>the site seems to be down
Its bandwidth limited Tor relay in additon to hidden service (which btw can reveal IP of hidden service). Should be back up within a couple days when meter restarts. I may run an unmetered 2nd instance of Tor to prevent it from going down.

Hiro Protagonist 2020-09-07 09:50:58 No.32181

>>32082
>>32085
>>32075
>>32109
>>32160

Im glad lains like my Website

Mitnick 2020-09-08 11:34:10 No.32198

>>29660 (OP)
>>32168
Coarse Enigma is backup with a new blog and updated web ring.
>>32073
Link'd.

Emmanuel 2020-09-13 18:45:44 No.32430

>>32428
Roger that Cat Mother.
>>29660 (OP)
Coarse Engima updated with a PGP How to.
>http://cgjzkysxa4ru5rhrtr6rafckhexbisbtxwg2fg743cjumioysmirhdad.onion/blog/gpg-2.html
>GPG : Introduction to Public Key Methods

fr0st 2020-09-21 02:24:51 No.32856>>32858>>32866>>32920>>33004>>33285

>>31535
made a site after all
I see ya'll are very visually oriented, so I made a banner too
I added all online sites to: http://ic3333qpasht5vd6.onion/webring.txt le me know if I missed you in the process!

Trinity 2020-09-21 03:06:08 No.32858

>>32856
put some more effort into the ring: http://ic3333qpasht5vd6.onion/webring/

Apoc 2020-09-21 07:26:05 No.32866>>32909

>>32856
Cool site anon. But please, upgrade your .onion to v3 as soon as possible.

Technician 2020-09-21 20:27:03 No.32909>>32911

>>32866
>upgrade your .onion to v3 as soon as possible.
Why? big deepweb sites still also use v2

Erik Johansson 2020-09-21 20:36:34 No.32911>>32920

>>32909
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2020-June/014365.html
v2 addresses use RSA1024 (Insecure, even gpg uses RSA208 by default) and SHA-1 (Also insecure, see shattered)
v3 addresses use ed25519 (more secure)

Roy Batty 2020-09-21 23:33:42 No.32920>>32921>>32945

>>32856
>>32911
Thanks for letting me know anon, I've changed the address: http://ic3333h2g3p7ffv6ypscxfvgomi2oj7x45xkqzpay6txjl2nlg5qwcid.onion/

Netrunner 2020-09-21 23:53:37 No.32921

>>32920
This webring thing is pretty successful. Lains are making things and improving them.

Aristóteles Amadópulus 2020-09-22 03:24:34 No.32933>>33285>>33295

This thread inspired me to make a site! But after trying my hand at self hosting I realize that websec is not something I'm going to learn overnight. I'm just too busy for it right now. Anyone know a good place to host that will give you a good amount of control over your server but that also takes care of security? I've got the domain name and made my banner for the webring but I dont wanna post until I have something up.
>werc
What a great tool. I'm building my site with it. I'll post thoughts on using it once I get my site up.

Emmanuel 2020-09-22 07:14:00 No.32945>>32946>>33106>>33285

>>32920
I think a new banner is in place too

qorg11 2020-09-22 07:30:27 No.32946

>>32945
There

Frank Garza 2020-09-22 22:49:31 No.32962>>32989>>33001>>33043>>33135

What about explicitly text-only sites that neither have nor want any banner associated with them?

>how-to-build-a-lowtech-website
Step one: open a text editor.
Step 2: type in some text.
Step III: configure httpd to serve that text file as the resource name you want for it.
Step ?: ...
Step n: I dunno, go have a nap or cup of tea. Maybe read a book? It's your life. You've already profited by learning httpd.

BloodCat 2020-09-23 07:13:48 No.32989

>>32962
I don't know what you mean. But in any case, nginx just werks

Armitage 2020-09-23 09:18:27 No.33001>>33135

>>32962
Post your site anyway. I will link you

Kunstler Incorporate Kein Kunstler 2020-09-23 09:32:20 No.33002>>33104>>33120

http://imxg7v2cvgzrbupbi6hjmoiv47pjzy3ci67spezcvsl6rr5gjkmx5gid.onion/façade but named ``kunstler.corp''

Chani 2020-09-23 09:43:29 No.33004

>>32856 /webring.txt appears HTML served as plaintext.

Cypher 2020-09-23 21:46:50 No.33043>>33044

>>32962 Step n+1: learn CGI

Unsigned 2020-09-23 22:14:10 No.33044>>33049

>>33043
This. CGI may be outdated or whatever you want. But Perl is a GREAT programming language and very useful for web development, seriously, fuarrrk JS and Chrome

Erik Johansson 2020-09-23 23:32:44 No.33049>>33050>>33078

How did >>33044 go from CGI to PERL?

Lady Jessica 2020-09-23 23:39:52 No.33050>>33079

>>33049
Are we talking about Computer generated image or common gateway interface?

Lord Nikon 2020-09-24 09:35:40 No.33078>>33079

>>33049
Pretty sure perl was 2nd gen CGI and still used cgi's mods.

Project 2501 2020-09-24 09:53:08 No.33079

>>33050, in this context, which do you think is appropriate?
>>33078, common gateway interface lets arbitrary programme determine what's served.

Sabo Engle 2020-09-24 15:07:52 No.33090>>33091

>>30134
I hate the way the website banners twist when you hover over them. It's annoying to try and click on unless I am dead center on it. Otherwise really cool site.

Hiro Protagonist 2020-09-24 15:16:26 No.33091>>33092>>33101

>>33090
That was the point but next time I update it I'll think of something a little less annoying but just as ugly
Just for you anon-chan

Project 2501 2020-09-24 15:47:01 No.33092

>>33091
Maybe also a slightly less seizure inducing secret page.

Koos van der Merwe 2020-09-24 20:14:18 No.33101

>>33091
You can do whatever you want to it. I was just providing slight criticism.

fr0st 2020-09-24 23:59:59 No.33104

>>33002
cool

getimiskon 2020-09-25 01:15:13 No.33106

>>32945
added

藤原純一 2020-09-25 06:51:23 No.33113>>33285

any tips on making a 240x60 gif banner? i tried peek but it can't record gifs that small

Agent Smith 2020-09-25 12:36:10 No.33120>>33135>>33154>>33158>>33172>>33285>>33621

I've had a whatever blog I've been running for a while now. It only gets updated every few weeks, but I do plan to do a few posts over the next few days. I thought it may be of interest to people here.

240x60 and smaller 88x31 banners included.

Find me at: https://concealed.world/

I've tried my best to add everyone in the thread I could connect to, let me know if you were missed: https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php

>>30143
You still alive? I've not added you yet because I can't connect.
>>33002
Got a banner?

Hagbard Celine 2020-09-25 23:13:21 No.33135>>33153

>>33120 (``Got a banner?''), see >>32962 line 1, and >>33001

Rick Deckard 2020-09-26 11:05:55 No.33153

>>33135
Ah, I understand now, at first I hadn't made the connection between the two posts. You have been added.

qorg11 2020-09-26 11:41:34 No.33154

>>33120
yup
>>30143
please resurrect dude

Incognito 2020-09-26 13:03:23 No.33157>>33159

I would prefer the anchor text to be ``kunstler.corp''---hinting towards decentralized name resolution---but it's your page pointing at it, and so it's really your choice.

getimiskon 2020-09-26 13:04:34 No.33158>>33159

>>33120
added

I like the design of your website.

Roger Pollack 2020-09-26 13:06:37 No.33159>>33161>>33285

>>33157
It's fine, I got it, just slipped my mind.

>>33158
It took a lot of tinkering, believe me. I wnated to make a point of JS not being necessary in most use cases - I'm not running any.

getimiskon 2020-09-26 13:18:14 No.33161>>33162

>>33159
>It took a lot of tinkering, believe me. I wnated to make a point of JS not being necessary in most use cases - I'm not running any.
I see... I don't have any JS script on my website as well. I'm trying to keep it as simple as possible, in order to be compatible with as many web browsers as possible. And I'm still working on the "code" at times, and it's still far from perfect.

Faye Valentine 2020-09-26 13:22:41 No.33162>>33163

>>33161
A good way to test that is with a text based web browser - I use Lynx.

My website works "fairly well" in text - it is entirely readable, though the entire articles are shown on the front page instead of excerpts, and the header is shown twice.

I'm thinking of making a gopher if I was serious about text though.

>And I'm still working on the "code" at times, and it's still far from perfect.
Yeah, I actually noticed a date bug in pages under '/Other/' because of posting in this thread, which I'm writing a quick fix for now.

getimiskon 2020-09-26 13:28:58 No.33163>>33164

>>33162
>A good way to test that is with a text based web browser - I use Lynx.
I do the same thing.

>Yeah, I actually noticed a date bug in pages under '/Other/' because of posting in this thread, which I'm writing a quick fix for now.
Also, the scrolling on your website (in the home page and under Blogs) doesn't work on Pale Moon.

Spike Spiegel 2020-09-26 13:30:20 No.33164>>33165

>>33163
>Also, the scrolling on your website (in the home page and under Blogs) doesn't work on Pale Moon.
Do you mean the scrollbar doesn't appear, or that it literally cannot scroll?

If it's the former it's intentional.

getimiskon 2020-09-26 13:39:37 No.33165>>33166>>33168

>>33164
>Do you mean the scrollbar doesn't appear, or that it literally cannot scroll?
It's the later one. For some reason, in the pages that scroll normally, a scrollbar appears. I know it usually don't appear, I tested it on Firefox as well.

The Phantom Phreak 2020-09-26 13:41:31 No.33166>>33168>>33169

>>33165
Thanks, I'll have a look into it.

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-26 15:11:02 No.33168>>33169

>>33165
>>33166
Fixed bugs, some cosmetic changes to the sidebar to save space.

Pale Moon really is an awkward browser. It seems that it doesn't support scrolling elements with overflow: hidden, hence it was barely able to function on my site. There seemed to be no inbuilt resolution to this.

I made a hacky solution - if your useragent contains 'PaleMoon', the sheet with the scrollbar rules is not loaded. It's inelegant but it works.

The market of people spoofing their user agent on Pale Moon is probably small enough I shouldn't worry about it.

Sage for being kind of off-topic.

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-26 15:23:49 No.33169

>>33166
>>33168
I think 'overflow: -moz-scrollbars-none' is just a link to 'overflow: -moz-hidden-unscrollable' effectively, rather than real support.

Terzibashjian 2020-09-26 16:46:33 No.33171>>33173>>33175

>concealed.world
Sleek! scrollbarless scrolling.
Some /Other/ pages: scrollwheel sufficiently easy, any zoom (unless special-box not shown?) mouseover special-box for `mouse focus'---but keyboard: `tabbing in' for `keyboard scroll focus,' `closest' zoom (neat way serving `mobile' pages?) `tab in' needs 5 repetitions, but farther zooms need 17.
Sleeker? `keyboard scroll focus' irrequired (like homepage) or immediate.

Zhora 2020-09-26 17:35:40 No.33172>>33173

>>33120
really pretty! what are you using for your simple git repo frontend?

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-26 17:43:02 No.33173>>33175

>>33171
Not entirely certain what you're telling me, I promise English is my first language.

I do make it autofocus the most important element on each page (e.g. to scroll the feed on a blog page, or the article on an article page). It makes browsing it with Qutebrowser (my main) a more pleasant experience.

>>33172
Stagit is very clean and simple. You need to run 'stagit' on each directory to update the web front-end, but obviously you can just script that which makes it far more convenient. I made a post about how I went about setting up an HTTPS git repo: https://concealed.world/Projects/_index.php?post=settingupgitserver.php

At the time I updated it with cron, now I use a post-recieve hook instead, which runs the script to update the front-end after every commit.

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-26 17:59:29 No.33175>>33179

>>33171
>>33173
If you meant I should have a play around with tabindex, that's actually a pretty good idea.

The amount I can do with my current design is limited, but I have just added a 'tabindex="1"' to the autofocused article/listing, so that by pressing tab once it takes you to the aside navigation menu immediately.

Dozer 2020-09-26 19:59:08 No.33179>>33182

>>33175
My nongood English, sorry. I not know how in HTML, but I only noticing `tab' in-page navigation for some the /Other/* pages is making many times to repeat `tab' pressing to get to able scroll of keyboard.
Trying `webring' page now... is good to easy/soon scroll of keyboard: yes is only a couple `tabbing' now to keyboard scroll.

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-26 20:10:18 No.33182>>33184

>>33179
Glad to hear it's working better.

If you need to tab around web pages (no pointing device), may I recommend Qutebrowser? It could be useful for you.

Lain Iwakura 2020-09-26 21:15:18 No.33184>>33185

>>33182
probably palemoon is better in my opinion

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-26 21:20:41 No.33185>>33186

>>33184
Why is that? I had a foray into Pale Moon just for the classic-looking GUI a long while back, but it seemed like just another browser.

I only mention Qutebrowser specifically, since it'll be a lot faster to use the 'follow hints' functionality rather than tabbing to each link.

Tomohisa "Tom" Kanezaki 2020-09-26 21:21:48 No.33186>>33187>>33285

>>33185
Palemoon is not backdoored like every other browser, and unlike qutebrowser, is usable
also, palemoon is the only (usable) browser which uses a engine that is not blink or whatever firefox is using

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-26 21:29:32 No.33187>>33188>>33290

>>33186
>Palemoon is not backdoored like every other browser
Source? I would honestly believe you in saying most browsers are backdoored, but why is Pale Moon exempt?

Qutebrowser has a choice between Webkit and Webengine. It is somewhat connected to Chromium - I've not yet looked into what any glaring security flaws are, though I'd be interested to know.

>and unlike qutebrowser, is usable
What's unusable about it? For me it's a lightweight browser, with useful keybindings, inbuilt functionality to run userscripts and shell scripts, inbuilt proxying, and is highly customisable. I wouldn't use anything else.

On a side note, I was honestly a bit offended when I read this at the end of the page blocking me from accessing linux.palemoon.org:
> and avoid the use of public proxies or anonymizing networks.
I get the vague impression that Pale Moon's development is falling gradually behind the times. Particularly earlier today when I noted the browser failed to handle 'overflow: hidden' in a sane way.

Junichi Fujiwara 2020-09-26 21:34:21 No.33188>>33189

>>33187
https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/browsers.html
> get the vague impression that Pale Moon's development is falling gradually behind the times. Particularly earlier today when I noted the browser failed to handle 'overflow: hidden' in a sane way.
don't use it then, lol

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-26 21:40:30 No.33189>>33190>>33291

>>33188
That's fine, I won't.

I didn't really understand why you brought it up originally in reference to the lainon who appeared not to have a pointing device to navigate to links with - which was specifically why I mentioned Qutebrowser, as its functionality is built around the idea of being on the keyboard.

>https://digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/browsers.html
I wouldn't take digdeeper on its own as gospel, everyone has their own weird opinions. I recall digdeeper being very against "freetardism", however he chose to define it. But, whatever works for you.

I found that Pale Moon being vehemently against Tor, NoScript, and supportive of Cloudflare just didn't sit with me right. It's devs seem to have a weird ongoing history.

Jane Doe 2020-09-26 21:44:06 No.33190

>>33189
yeah, that's why dudes at the digdeeper/spyware XMPP started a palemoon fork called web browser, but still work in progress (usable btw) and no binary packages yet, so you'll have to compile it.

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-09-28 01:33:06 No.33285>>33290>>33292>>33321

Pic related, updated the LainRing, and finally got a chance to check out the onion sites, so I updated the LainRing to include the Onion branch. Hoping to mirror my site as an onion site at some point as well, and will add the other onion sites on this thread once I can get the banners for them.

>>32139
Like the moving background anon, looks good!

Also, regarding owning domains for life, some domain providers allow you to buy the domain for 100 years. Unfortunately don't have any recommendations for good domain providers, need to do some research on that front myself.

>>32856
Nice site anon, I like the colors and text-only format! Added your site to the OnionRing with the new banner >>32945

>>32933
Glad the thread inspired you to make a site anon! Hope you can find the services you are looking for, unfortunately don't have any good recommendations on that front. Once you're all finished and add your banner to the thread, I'll add it to my ring.

>>33113
Strange, I use Peek and it lets me do 240x60. Makes me think that the minimum size for Peek is based on screen resolution or something like that. Checked the repo for Peek to see if there is any option to make it smaller, but looks like its not an option currently. One workaround would be to simply do a larger size and then edit the size of the image in GIMP to remove the excess space around it.

>>33120
Great site anon, the style is amazing! It's an excellent example of a site using a very minimal amount of colors that still looks very stylish. Also, like the choice of domain name. Added you to the ring, and added your site to my RSS reader to read future articles.

>>33159
>It took a lot of tinkering, believe me.
I know this feel lainon, even my (which is much blander and less styled than your site) took a surprising amount of time tinkering with the colors, styles, and fonts until I got a feel that I liked. I'm sure your site took a long time until you got the feel you wanted just right.

>>33186
>palemoon is the only (usable) browser which uses a engine that is not blink or whatever firefox is using
From what I understand Palemoon is a fork of Firefox 53 (or a version number close to that), and so should be using the same rendering engine as Firefox from then (the Gecko Engine) with additional updates to it over time.

qorg11 2020-09-28 09:40:42 No.33288

>>30799
I've updated qorg11.net .onion address. could you change it?
http://lainwir3s4y5r7mqm3kurzpljyf77vty2hrrfkps6wm4nnnqzest4lqd.onion/
Also, your site apparently is not in the Tor distributed hash table. Is everything ok?

Shogun 2020-09-28 10:56:09 No.33290>>33292

>>33285
I'm not sure but palemoon I think does some kind of emulation for Quantum but it's still the good old Gecko when it comes to XUL theming. I think there's basilisk for australis+quantum.

>>33187
I think what lainon meant was that most browsers had a google or something-who contract, like plain firefox (whose contract is about to expire), this is why there's this 'safebrowsing' always opt-in by default on firefox and poorly-made forks. What it does is it literally scrapes your every URL and downloads for ""malwares"" , all download hashes and URLs you have saved are in some way checked by safebrowsing anti-feature and sometimes it doesn't even simply turn off by setting it to =False because they didn't like that although a lot of user.js projects were formed, they couldn't keep up with all these minute-updates where mozilla keep on adding more switches to anti-privacy ""features"" and turning them back ON after an update.

Meanwhile, palemoon made the right choices, and opted out by default or iirc they removed the safebrowsing and other mozilla services anti-privacy features. They had also implemented built-in canvas poisoning ahead of the two big browsers. The only poor choice they made is that homepage but devs are quite open to anti-fingerprinting features.

Dox 2020-09-28 11:12:51 No.33291>>33375

>>33189
>noscript issue
Fools, I've known noscript is NOT fail-safe after actually experiencing a script to get past during page load, firsthand using up-to-date firefox very long time ago. Also, what if the add-on crashed on itself too, if it's not fail-safe, it's bad.

>CF
>ad nauseam
I think the devs are just not blackpilled yet to even think or know about it. They also earn some revenue from the homepage which have analytics and they blocked the add-on because the fake clicks would get their revenue to an instant zero which probably happened to them (thus the add-on being blocked).

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-28 11:43:51 No.33292

>>33285
>I'm sure your site took a long time until you got the feel you wanted just right.
Yeah, I think I actually started it around April time. I made a rough writeup of how I wanted the site to look in a day. The CSS was the worst, it probably took tinkering for almost a week to get right. I think this rule from my site gets the point across:

css
.article {
    max-height: calc(var(--ver) - var(--ver-upr) - 72px);
} 

Nothing else was too difficult. Formatting text files into articles in PHP with page numbers wasn't hard, the search facility had some bugs but it's working now. I made a post on my website for how I make my "style" of images for the site.

For some reason I neglected to get a domain and DDNS until June, and spent the time playing Minetest on my public server instead.

>>33290
Qutebrowser has no such safebrowsing either, so I'm still not sure what the issue is. But yeah, safebrowsing is pretty horrible.

Tomohisa "Tom" Kanezaki 2020-09-28 14:31:39 No.33295

>>32139
>>32933
I've heard good things about Cloudways, 2 week free trial is nice, and apparently offers much greater server resources than you get from bluehost or any of the other big names for the same price range. I learned about it while researching how to speed up a client's glacial website that was made in Elementor on bluehost by someone else, just switching to this host results in potentially seconds off the loading time.

Koos van der Merwe 2020-09-28 16:10:07 No.33299>>33301

>>31424
>>31431
I was interested to read from the title, but the constant references to soykaf left a bad taste in my mouth, and a lump near my nipple.

Agent Smith 2020-09-28 16:18:52 No.33301>>33375

>>33299
Not to mention the fact that this self proclaimed champion of the proletariat uses a whopping 12W to play his farming simulators, rather than gaming responsibly at <700mA on a RPi.
So disgusting.

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-28 21:13:53 No.33321>>33323

>>33285
Do you have a separate page for webring links?

I was confused, because what's in the .gif is different to your front page, it's missing headers and some of the links from the .gif.

Old Web (Yukinu) 2020-09-28 23:17:42 No.33323>>33373

>>33321
>Do you have a separate page for webring links?
>I was confused, because what's in the .gif is different to your front page, it's missing headers and some of the links from the .gif.

Nice catch lainon! Turns out I had updated my site locally but forgot to push it to the server! Probably wouldn't have noticed that for a good week or two if you didn't alert me to it first. I swear its always the simplest stuff that trips me up.

I updated the site now, and you should see your banner on it. Thanks for the help anon, and again great site!

qorg11 2020-09-29 15:35:01 No.33373

>>33323
Do you have a .onion address? If you have a good processor (idk 12 cores) you can bruteforce the string "yukinu" in the address using mkp244o, also onion services are much easier to mantain than a regular website. No ports, no IP addresses. Everything is so simple...

Frank Garza 2020-09-29 15:54:42 No.33375

>>33291
>fake click
That reminds me, there should be a web-browser add-on that doesn't just block the ads, but clicks through them and browses the advertised sites, to try to look like a `real' clickthrough. This would help accelerate the demise of advertisement surveillance.

>>33301
Why do you say that that circuit of less than that current is more efficient than that other circuit of that force*distance/time?

Nobody important 2020-09-29 17:43:17 No.33382>>33383>>33385>>33387

I made a thing if you care: http://wh3zlpmhtec4odnskihkbjbqixw45jkkgsk5c2mh6j3qhrdggocnbbad.onion/.

Nobody important 2020-09-29 17:46:00 No.33383>>33621

>>33382 again, forgot the banner. Also, wow: perfect name.

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-09-29 18:10:09 No.33385>>33394

>>33382
yap
also try to be more optimistic about your website?

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-29 18:16:52 No.33387>>33388

>>33382
Added

What's the banner supposed to be, if anything? I was trying to decipher it.

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-09-29 18:18:44 No.33388>>33389>>33395

>>33387
I think is lain stressed highly glitched

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-29 18:19:44 No.33389>>33390>>33400

>>33388
Yeah, I think I could make out an eye, and some familiar colours. Cool.

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-09-29 18:21:25 No.33390>>33391

>>33389
Also it seems the transparency on your webring killed my button's hidden message. what a shame

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-29 18:29:23 No.33391>>33392

>>33390
Nice, I would have never noticed without you mentioning it.

I should really start hiding messages in everything, would be fun.

qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-09-29 18:40:07 No.33392

>>33391
You clearly know too much, don't reveal it ;)

Nobody important 2020-09-29 18:57:14 No.33394>>33395

>>33385
>also try to be more optimistic about your website?
It's the style. I call it negligent pessimism: fail anyway, but do it fun. And if not fails, great!

Nobody important 2020-09-29 19:08:56 No.33395

>>33394 again: Really, if it negligent pessimism not fails, question the society fabric. (Are you see?.. I'm much tired tonight, needing good sleeping.) >>33388 found the scene.

Nobody important 2020-09-29 19:33:42 No.33400

>>33389, it's the sleeve and wrist. Color pretty obvious.

Zero Cool 2020-09-30 00:24:16 No.33415>>33418>>33419>>33424>>33432>>33621

forgive me if poor formatting, I am new to posting on lainchan (have lurked for a long time)

here is my website. it is available on nearly every darknet under the sun
http://meynethaffeecapsvfphrcnfrx44w2nskgls2juwitibvqctk2plvhqd.onion
https://mayvaneday.art
(more links on site)

see "hidden rollcall" for my collection of darknet links, some of which I got from here :)

attached image is the activelink I use for the freenet version. will make a bigger banner if there is demand

Wanna join a cult of (im)personality? Kein Kunstler 2020-09-30 01:05:31 No.33418>>33467

>>33415 (MayVaneDay) Neat! Will read.

nixx - concealed.world 2020-09-30 06:49:18 No.33419>>33467

>>33415
What little I've read already looks very interesting, very nice site. Added you.

Roy Batty 2020-09-30 09:22:04 No.33424>>33467

>>33415
Awesome Site. Your collection of links is pretty impressive.

qorg11 2020-09-30 15:36:32 No.33432>>33467

>>33415
Better link collection than the hidden wiki, to be honest

Nobody important 2020-10-01 00:48:18 No.33465>>33466>>33467

I'm thinking doing an encrypted messages thing on my page. Sign, encrypt, paste for a week or i dunno.

Nobody important 2020-10-01 00:53:29 No.33466

>>33465 again. Idea is I «send» messages without trace to who.

Unspecified 2020-10-01 01:03:01 No.33467>>33468

>>33418
>>33419
>>33424
>>33432
thank you for your kind words <3

>>33465
something like this?
https://privyboard.terraaeon.com/
I don't think he has the source available, though

Nobody important 2020-10-01 01:44:19 No.33468

>>33467, PrivyBoard it's still needing to send the message number / passcode, that's like a secretive pastebin. I am meaning the more simple just putting PGP message to an outgoing messages part of my personal pages, with often-visitor checking what are to them by decrypting each i.e. with hidden recipient PGP encryption. Or too i can hide how little i really «send» by daily doing junk «send» to self / fake identity. Maybe to example see tomorrow or tomorrow.

Unidentified 2020-10-01 01:49:15 No.33469

From https://privyboard.terraaeon.com/articles/about_privy.html
>Every message that you save on PrivyBoard and the password required to access it are encrypted server-side
Meaning: no privacy, but claiming privacy.

Ein 2020-10-01 02:05:13 No.33471>>33488

Stretching the banners is kinda ugly I think. But having them proportional and wide enough to ``fill out'' the page would mean less links per screen-full.. Maybe having the banner next to the name like before?

Anamika 2020-10-01 19:13:54 No.33488

>>33471
Is that about MayVaneDay Clearnet Rollcall <http/webring.html>? I noticed too, but ignored because my monitor stretches anyway. Other minor points: clearnet HTTP in Also available on would be convenient, Tor HTTP/S link has no HTTPS.

Leto Atreides I 2020-10-02 09:39:12 No.33535>>33577

>stretching banners
>not using Nearest Neighbor as scaling method
Phew

Hidden services qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-10-02 13:36:04 No.33546>>33577

So well, it seems that some users here has .onion address, and some has .i2p mirrors, so, i joined the cool i2p club: http://ivusryc5mfrroomm6s5no4badevf7djzlgzlwarce33no2bsyi3q.b32.i2p/
I have it in another server, so it might be a bit outdated and you cannot sign the guestbook over i2p.

Now, should I also port qorg11.net to other hidden webs? (Freenet, lokinet...)

Vasya Pupkin 2020-10-02 22:23:31 No.33577>>33587

>>33546
lokinet would be cool, lainon. not very many hidden services on there yet
>>33535
it's either the big banners look like soykaf scaled small, or the small banners look like soykaf scaled big. why not decline to choose and have everything look awful :)

John Titor 2020-10-03 06:27:03 No.33587>>33595

>>33577
why not use bin packing instead of making your site look like soykaf? are you that fuarrrking lazy?

Drano 2020-10-03 15:30:44 No.33595

>>33587
> javascript
no thanks

SHODAN 2020-10-04 00:00:46 No.33621>>33622

>>29660 (OP)
Coarse Enigma back with another blog - reading OpenBSD source Code. Add me to the onion branch.
>http://cgjzkysxa4ru5rhrtr6rafckhexbisbtxwg2fg743cjumioysmirhdad.onion/blog/reading-openbsd-source-cat.c.html

>>33415
>>33383
>>33120
Added to Webring

Masami Eiri 2020-10-04 00:41:09 No.33622>>33634

>>33621
>249 lines
see this: https://git.qorg11.net/k9core.git/blob/HEAD:/src/cat.c

Crazy Jake 2020-10-04 11:30:46 No.33634>>33635

>>33622
Your implementation of cat isn't portable and doesnt support any options like -n, or -v etc. Thats not a problem per se.

Also, if your going to do a non-portable implementation with no features, check out copy_file_ranges() syscall. It will be faster.

Mitnick 2020-10-04 11:33:46 No.33635>>33638

>>33634
-n and -v are not supported by POSIX, so i didn't add them.

Masami Eiri 2020-10-04 14:56:30 No.33638>>33642>>33644

>>33635
I see. The perspective that I gained reading the OpenBSD Cat code is how much of a toy it was. Its really the simplest implementation of cat that is feasible for a generalized production system - some scripts might make use of (-n,-v) behavior. I noticed how un-optimized it actually is.
GNU claims to have a more optimized variety of CAT precisely because of this kind of behavior. The FreeBSD cat implementation is actually a lot more complex than the OpenBSD as well, with significant optimization.
After comparing the versions, I am of the opinion that OpenBSD is a toy. Its educational and excellent quality for reading but makes no sense. FreeBSD's cat is mature and likely vulnerability free yet optimized. I don't think OpenBSDs approach, if represented by cat, is interesting.

Case 2020-10-04 20:23:36 No.33642>>33645

>>33638, A toy? It does literally everything (and more) that a file concatenator should do: concatenates the listed files (to standard output). That's a tool. Don't expect something to do more than it's name suggests. If it does it poorly, it's a toy.

Tank 2020-10-04 20:39:26 No.33643>>33645

>I don't think OpenBSDs approach, if represented by cat, is interesting
It's not supposed to be interesting. It's supposed to be secure.

Y.T 2020-10-04 20:51:01 No.33644>>33645

>>33638
>optimized
>toy
>bloat
>vulnerability
It's cat... it doesn't need to be all these retarded things you propose.

Y.T 2020-10-04 21:13:22 No.33645>>33646

>>33642
>>33643
>>33644
If you haven't read the source code don't comment. It literally reads and writes one character at a time if any option is given to cat (except unbuffered).
GNU and FreeBSD implementations are far more efficient. When you are talking about code so widely deployed, efficiency matters.
OpenBSDs approach to security is to design hyper-simple code. They are leaving significant value on the table.
FreeBSD and GNU implementations are far more complex, but also likely free of vulnerabilities. Not due to there equal simplicity, but due to their maturity. IMO, the optimizations when partnered with maturity outweigh the simplicity.

Meddler 2020-10-04 22:57:47 No.33646

>>33645
I've read the code and my comment stands. You're an idiot for even making such an argument for such a simple fuarrrking program.